not a good week.......

bertieduff · Post by **bertieduff** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:06 pm

tut wrote:bertie, I sound like your old man x 2.

tut

You're entitled there

All part of growing up, but boy, am I glad sometimes I'm not a parent

Skyenet · Post by **Skyenet** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:08 pm

bertieduff wrote:
Putting an airborne car through a wall certainly taught me a thing or two at that age....never been that stupid again.

GregR · Post by **GregR** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:18 pm

tut wrote:bertie, I sound like your old man x 2.

I agree that we have all been there, but he has gone completely over the top with that record inside three days of passing his test.

Not sure if I will even take him down to KH on Friday, but he will be here on Saturday, so hope that he has broad shoulders.

tut

Sadly I think you're spot on there Tut - best warn him we all know, else he'll be shocked by all the waggling of fingers this weekend.

In all sincerity, I hope he hasn't burnt his bridges with you now , trust is a hard thing to gain and such an easy thing to lose

Blaque · Post by **Blaque** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:32 pm

Put mums car in to a banking a week after I passed my test. Ripped the number plate off.
Rolled my first car 2 weeks after I got it.
Sp30 after a year and half of driving (lucky to get away with it that long. Not from the want of trying too).
The second time I was stopped, I was hooning round the corners just out side Langholm on the A7 and passed a motorcycle cop. He cought up with me half way down the cannonbie bypass.
Said he had to do 95 to catch up with me. I showed him my licence and he saw the points I aready had. He then pulled out a large form from the back of the bike and started to ask what I thought was a load of wierd question.
Colour of eyes
Height
Hair Colour
Any distinguishing marks
After he had finish, he got me to read through the form, and then asked if it was a good discription of me.
Good he said, this is the form I will have to show your mother before she can come and identify your body, when you end up upside down in a field. 'Cos if you continue to drive the way you are, that what's going to happen. Now on your way!

I think that did more to convince me that I wasn't as invincible as I first thought than any 3 points.

I hope the police that come to see Ian are as savy as the one that stopped me, and just gliph the fukc out of him.

Corranga · Post by **Corranga** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:02 pm

Man that's scary!

I'm 25 and have been driving since I was 17. I'm savy enough to know that you always crash your first car (well 2nd in my case).

Mine wasn't a biggy, I hit the brakes at about 40 on a damp, greasy road. Car slid and I wrote off the Escort infront, fixed my Jetta £100 later...

A couple of my friends have written off cars, although none of us have ended up the wrong way up.

A few years later and i'm now driving an Elise. I'm terrified of the car, especially in the wet, but with the price of Elises, dropping and even looking at the prices of some early imprezza turbos, it is scary what sort of kit a young over-confident driver can pick up nowadays!

All this makes me wonder why there is no advance car control classes or even a skid pan session as part of the whole learning to drive experience. I'm considering booking something like that for myself, it's such a shame the law doesnt actually make people do it!

Chris

Post by **campbell** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:27 pm

Tut,

Commiserations. Best regards to the young fella, a lot more than his nose will be dented just now.

Most important thing of all...get him behind a wheel again and ensure he has genuine confidence.

Then consider doing what both my Dad and my driving instructor did for me early on...take him out on some quiet bendy roads and start to drill him with the "limit point" stuff, to learn anticipation, feel, and RESPECT for the lethal weapon that is a car.

Once he gets a buzz for that sense of responsibility and control, he will quickly learn how to temper the right foot no matter whether he's driving a Focus or a Ferrari.

And of course we'll all knock some sense into him this weekend too

Campbell

craigieb · Post by **craigieb** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:36 pm

sorry to hear this tut, but like everyone else glad no one was hurt. like a few here had a few very close shaves in my mk2 escort when I was 17. it was stuck together with filler, screwnails and bits of wood

When I finally did crash it was coz the steering rack sheared as I was pulling on to an urban dual carriageway, went flying off the raod, knocked over a lamp-post and skewered the car on the bits of the crash barrier that were left after a crash the previous week. frightened the life out of me but I was very lucky the car didn't disintegrate on impact. had to pay for the car payments (a lot of money to me given what I was earning) and for the council to fix bloody lamp post

Just glad I was on 4 wheels rather than 2 at that stage or I definately wouldn't be here typing this.

hope he's learnt his lesson, or at least will give his driving a bit of thought after the visit from the coppers.

bertieduff wrote: Always wince now when I see youngsters tearing about at silly speed (and in far higher powered motors now).

F*** I sound like my old man

both on the wincing and the sounding like an old man

YvoTuk · Post by **YvoTuk** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:04 pm

I hope the police will have the attitude like we've experienced in Scotland a couple of weeks ago

If he's being questioned by a copper like the one described by Blaque, there's a bigger chance he'll learn from it.
I guess the fact he's holding back information from you means he knows he's cocked up. As long as he learns, I guess things will work out for him.

A big

for the coppers outthere anyway. From the encounters we had with them, they definately displayed care, they didn't brag about the things they could do, they just explained that what the guy did could end up in tears.

Zippy · Post by **Zippy** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:04 am

tut, sorry to read this but glad Ian and his friends all walked away from it.

I still wonder how I managed to put myself upside down into a field back in October and think about what could have happened.

Now that Christopher's here & a whole 1 week old I've been thinking about how I'll deal with him getting his licence to drive. I've got 17 years to figure that one out.

Hopefully all of the kids involved and their friends who weren't there realise the risks every time they turn the key.

Best regards,
Iain.
p.s. still hopeful of meeting up with you and everyone else at KH on Friday and hopefully making dinner at Fort Bill.

renmure · Post by **renmure** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:51 am

When I just turned 18 I lost my licence for 18 months. I did something dumb and was lucky enough that nobody else was involved or got hurt. It was a very embarrasing personally and a sore lesson financially for a good few years after I got back on the road. Fortunately I was sensible enough to learn from it. Obviously having an "incident" like speeding and crashing and doing the dumb thing I did are different but in many ways they are all wake-up calls and, if learned from, might prevent the next "incident" from being more terminal for someone.

rossybee · Post by **rossybee** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:38 pm

Sorry to hear of this.

I virtually wrote off my mum's Montego (& a new Volvo

) less than 2 weeks after passing my test many moons ago - fortunately my folks were on a month-long holiday for their silver wedding anniversary and my bro & I ensured the car was in the bodyshop before Maw & Paw returned

I felt sh1t about it for ages and it certainly taught me a very quick lesson - here's hoping Tut Jnr takes similar heed

Andy G · Post by **Andy G** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:28 pm

Thankfully he's okay.

I used to drive like a total lunatic when i first passed. Remember some shocking in town antics

Having said that, i think a lot of it was down to my confidence being way above my talent, and hopefully this prang will have made the point to him that the talent is not there yet.

Remember my sis rolling her car around Glenshee going too quickly and it made me feel very guilty about the way i'd driven with her in the car. I felt partly to blame for setting a poor example, and thankfully she was fine - her car wasn't as lucky!

We all make mistakes, its what we learn from them thats key.

Here's hoping the next years of motoring are safer for him.

tut · Post by **tut** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:42 pm

I finally listened to his reason for going through the red lights, and the Station that booked him agreed that at his age and experience, and the fact that three mad drunken Poles were trying to get him, should have been taken into consideration.

He had stopped at the lights, and only went forward as they were trying to open the doors, with no traffic coming. He therefore does not have to accept the fixed penalty for 14 days, and I will look into whether we take it to court. My eldest son is a DCI in the London Met, so for the first time, I may well ask him what the options are.

tut

Kelvin · Post by **Kelvin** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:55 am

Bad news tut, as long as no one was hurt and he learns from the experience, which hopefully he will rather than thinking he's invincible because he walked away from it. The young adult male mind works in odd ways.

It took quite a bad accident to teach me the lesson. I wrote three cars off by the time I was 21*, the last one being a Talbot Lotus Sunbeam that had been my uncles. To this day I hate Simon Bates as that was the only bloody radio station I could get on the radio and that soppy programme (Our Song or Tune or something) of his came on one afternoon and I promptly hit a tree while trying to find a tape. I couldn't afford another car so bought a motorbike which I put up a bank 3 months later putting myself in hospital for 2 weeks. My mum also banned me from driving anything for a year and took a classified advert out in the local paper telling everyone

Anyway, I've never had an accident since, well apart from the bloke that reversed into my current Elise a few weeks after getting it.

BTW My 4th car was a Vauxhall Viva called Sally my uncle bought for £50 so threaten to buy him a sh*t car with a girls name. I never had Sally long either as it got nicked and burnt out 200 yards from the house. Our view was that it broke down and spontaneously burst into flames however. After that it was all company cars until the first Elise.

Kids, who'd have them eh!

* The 2nd car I wrote off was more that I lightly kissed a fence at very low mph and the car fell apart around me so technically shouldn't count

Cheers
Kelvin.

tut · Post by **tut** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:32 pm

hey this is tuts son, i'v sat down to read all the comments left about my accidents, its a form of education for me, in my defence there were honestly 3 men chasing my car when i went through the red light, as stupid as i am i wouldn't run a red light without a reason, and it was through fear of getting the car damaged that i did it but i live to regret it. i have no defence about crashing the car though, i made a mistake and i really do expect to pay for it, i won't be buying my own car until i have settled things with my dad because one of the worst things about the crash is that i know i have let him down so i have a lot to make up for. Anyway i'm sure u will all let me know what a twat i am come Saturday but not a chance i'll be staying sober for that! lol, thanks for u'r opinions on the matter, u probably helped my dad through this a lot better than anyone else could of. see u all soon.

Ian