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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by mwmackenzie » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:31 pm

Check SELOC techwiki for geo settings, they have the std and motorsport settings on there, I'm using the 340R settings on my Elise... Hope you get it sorted soon mate! I'm not a fan of adjustable suspension from the point of view that I know jack about setting a car u and Lotus know lots so I'm happy to use what they design so I run S2 LSS on mine athough I feel they are maybe a tad softly sprung for the track but a great allround set up, height adjustable only. :thumbsup
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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by Mike Scib » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:47 pm

mwmackenzie wrote:Check SELOC techwiki for geo settings, they have the std and motorsport settings on there, I'm using the 340R settings on my Elise... Hope you get it sorted soon mate! I'm not a fan of adjustable suspension from the point of view that I know jack about setting a car u and Lotus know lots so I'm happy to use what they design so I run S2 LSS on mine athough I feel they are maybe a tad softly sprung for the track but a great allround set up, height adjustable only. :thumbsup
Was just looking up info on Seloc Mark. You running road or track 340R settings? What are others running?

http://wiki.seloc.org/a/Geo_Setups

Mckeann expect a call :thumbsup
alicrozier wrote:As Robin said, need to be comfortable and confident to push right up to the limit - sometimes you only find the limit by going beyond it...
(that's why I think Mike will do fine, that and his lack of imagination). :roll: :lol:

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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by mckeann » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:31 pm

Mike,

I have all the gear for measuring camber and toe at my place (pre measured/cut poles and string that attach to the car), its a piece of piss to do, so your welcome to fire round sometime and see what you have as a base measurement. Its relatively easy to alter it aswell, if you can be arsed

We really need to see where the car is just now before we go changing anything. It may be geo, it may be dampers, or it may be driver. I wouldnt discount anything at the moment, but its best to start with geo as its free, then driver as its also free (although can be more difficult to adjust than the geo :lol: ) then dampers as a last resort.

I do think you need to try it on a dry track too. My old S1 on standard dampers was oversteery when dry, understeery when wet. My S2 on LSS is the opposite. No idea why.

happy to help matey, let me know.

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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by mwmackenzie » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:43 pm

I think it's the road settings as my front camber is not that bad... you can have a drive when i get it back mate..

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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by Mike Scib » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:49 pm

mckeann wrote:
happy to help matey, let me know.
Will be in touch mate :thumbsup Will leave my steelies at home from now on :blackeye :P
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alicrozier wrote:As Robin said, need to be comfortable and confident to push right up to the limit - sometimes you only find the limit by going beyond it...
(that's why I think Mike will do fine, that and his lack of imagination). :roll: :lol:

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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by mckeann » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:05 am

scib4 wrote:Will leave my steelies at home from now on :blackeye
its not impossible to drive in steel toe caps, infact, i had a very memorable pax lap from FD back in the old days when he was in hillwalking boots and he can pedal like a madman :lol: but it really is alot easier in puma speedcats

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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by DDtB » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:25 am

scib4 wrote:
mwmackenzie wrote:Check SELOC techwiki for geo settings, they have the std and motorsport settings on there, I'm using the 340R settings on my Elise... Hope you get it sorted soon mate! I'm not a fan of adjustable suspension from the point of view that I know jack about setting a car u and Lotus know lots so I'm happy to use what they design so I run S2 LSS on mine athough I feel they are maybe a tad softly sprung for the track but a great allround set up, height adjustable only. :thumbsup
Was just looking up info on Seloc Mark. You running road or track 340R settings? What are others running?

http://wiki.seloc.org/a/Geo_Setups

Mckeann expect a call :thumbsup
Mine was setup as 340 road .... works for me... :thumbsup

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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by Mike Scib » Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:30 pm

mckeann wrote:
I do think you need to try it on a dry track too. My old S1 on standard dampers was oversteery when dry, understeery when wet. My S2 on LSS is the opposite. No idea why
Just to add, its pretty neutral in the dry, well on road anyway.
alicrozier wrote:As Robin said, need to be comfortable and confident to push right up to the limit - sometimes you only find the limit by going beyond it...
(that's why I think Mike will do fine, that and his lack of imagination). :roll: :lol:

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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by mckeann » Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:37 pm

I dont think you can compare road and track. My S2 is very neutral on road, but does understeer on a dry track. Not as bad as it was mind, and hopefully an upcoming change of dampers will sort it completly. I just dont think you can go mental enough on the road to get the same problems.

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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by neil » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:55 am

mckeann wrote:Your driving stylee needs a few subtle tweaks for the elise. I.E turning in, and stomping on the throttle wont give you oversteer, it'll cause understeer :wink:
Sounds just like what you said about my driving style and I managed to get oversteer :oops: :oops:
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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by mckeann » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:01 am

neil wrote:
mckeann wrote:Your driving stylee needs a few subtle tweaks for the elise. I.E turning in, and stomping on the throttle wont give you oversteer, it'll cause understeer :wink:
Sounds just like what you said about my driving style and I managed to get oversteer :oops: :oops:

thats different from turning in, getting sideways THEN stomping on the throttle. That'll cause oversteer :lol:

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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by neil » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:03 am

mckeann wrote:
neil wrote:
mckeann wrote:Your driving stylee needs a few subtle tweaks for the elise. I.E turning in, and stomping on the throttle wont give you oversteer, it'll cause understeer :wink:
Sounds just like what you said about my driving style and I managed to get oversteer :oops: :oops:

thats different from turning in, getting sideways THEN stomping on the throttle. That'll cause oversteer :lol:
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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by Andy G » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:25 am

go and see Willie at CLCM.

He's set up the RLC and the Mule, and neither understeer :mrgreen: :cheers
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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by campbell » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:05 am

Will second Andy. Although perhaps take details of the "standard" settings you want, Willie will set it up just as you tell him. Or as you don't ;-) Although I guess he has "std" Lotus settings in his books as he does all of MMC's setups.
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Re: New car at last! :)‏ Understeer!!!!

Post by Andy G » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:12 am

i usually get minbe as close to 340r settings as it will go :wink:
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