Track shed...

GregR · Post by **GregR** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:10 am

Not my S1, but a cheaper one

A mate of mine is very keen to get into the track scene but hasn't got the funds to buy an elise. So, I was thinking of recommending a 106 as a good place to start for Hot Hatch days etc. There's an XSI on PH at the mo with 76k miles for £400... bit of a bargain I thought, but I guess its all relative.

To make it into a track car, i was thinking we'd need to get sticky tyres, change the suspension, add f&r ARBs and potentially (i.e. cash permitting) a cage, seats & harnesses...

Anyone got any knowledge of the Pug scene that could coomment on the likely cost to convert?

Otherwise, if this is a daft idea, let me know... as I quite fancy going halfers!

mac · Post by **mac** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:32 am

Look for an old ex-racer XR2?

Might need a wee bit of TLC but will have the safety gear installed?

Mac

GregR · Post by **GregR** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:39 am

good shout mate ... only prob would be that we'd need it to be road legal for getting to & from the track

gorrie · Post by **gorrie** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:40 am

XR2 or an old Pug205 Rally slag with the safety devices already installed. Some are road legal.

Easy to spend a lot of time on this site:-

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/viewlisti ... view=11068

mrbennybennett · Post by **mrbennybennett** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:13 pm

Greg

i would go down the route of Pug 205 - ideally with an Mi 16 engine - I had one and it was a real hoot but i never tracked it

There are usually a few on pistonheads reasonably cheap

I used to get all my work done by Pug Ecosse in Bo'ness who were excellent if you need help in the future

Anthony

BiggestNizzy · Post by **BiggestNizzy** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:17 pm

Metro GTi ? i'm sure you could get change from a £5 and you get an 8.? 0-60 saw one ic CCC a few years back overtake an imprezza on a track day

gorrie · Post by **gorrie** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:56 pm

Is the GTi better than the GTa? Different engines iirc (I'm sure 1 is K-series, the other isn't.. but can't remember which is what).

Not being funny, but a Rover 200vi can be picked up for less than a bag of sand... BRM's are from 2 grand, with Rover 25GTi's not far off. All have VVC K-series on them. Or, a Rover 220 Turbo (Tomcat).

After using a BRM as a track slag in the past, I'd seriously consider getting another to strip (as it comes with a Torsen LSD, and gear ratios that let you top 70mph in 2nd)... then when you strip the interior you will get money back as a lot of MGZR/Rover 25 owners want the plush red leather interior and alloy trim.

Andy G · Post by **Andy G** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:05 pm

HI Greg

If you want to chat 205's my Uncle has 2 . Ones a mi16 and the others becoming one!

If you can pony up a wee bit more and get one that is tracked prepped it will save you a huge amount of time and money.

Ali (SLS) does a lot of work on race cars of all types and specs so might be orth mentioning it to him to see if he knows of anything

woody · Post by **woody** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:24 pm

Greg, have a look over at http://www.106rallye.co.uk The main differences with an xsi are trim and engine size.

Ideally you'd be looking at addind a wishbone brace and strut brace at the front with Pug sport Group N wishbones. At the rear uprated torsion bars are expensive at £300, but most just fit a thicker ARB at about £150 (no need to touch the front ARB really). Group N rear beam mounts (and possibly a swap to a gti/vtr/vtr/late rallye disc rear beam) and Bilstein sport dampers all round. Most tend to fit eibach front springs. http://www.106parts.com can supply a lot of the above parts now IIRC.

Stick on a pug sport system and your set

Oh yeah, or just get a 205. I sold my rally car for £1500, fully caged with GpA forest spec suspension and a skip brown GpA 1600 on twin 40ies

It was rougher than a rough thing to look at but even at that money had all the right bits.

BiggestNizzy · Post by **BiggestNizzy** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:43 pm

[quote="gorrie"]Is the GTi better than the GTa? Different engines iirc (I'm sure 1 is K-series, the other isn't.. but can't remember which is what).
[quote]

the Gti is a 16v with front shocks (normal metro's only have hydagas) and anti roll bars, it also has a close ratio gearbox both are k-series do not touch an old 1.3 gta it's older than Ken!

there are some 1.8 Gti's knocking about

woody · Post by **woody** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:46 pm

BiggestNizzy wrote:
gorrie wrote:Is the GTi better than the GTa? Different engines iirc (I'm sure 1 is K-series, the other isn't.. but can't remember which is what).

the Gti is a 16v with front shocks (normal metro's only have hydagas) and anti roll bars, it also has a close ratio gearbox both are k-series do not touch an old 1.3 gta it's older than Ken!

there are some 1.8 Gti's knocking about

GTa has the MG metro 74bhp engine - they're only good for ripping apart and donating the engine to a mini.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:35 pm

Metro Gti's are pretty rare nowadays. Metro's were particularly prone to rust.....badly.

Far more surviving Pug 205s to choose from I'd have thought.

BiggestNizzy · Post by **BiggestNizzy** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:14 pm

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/213374.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/196739.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/220221.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/201347.htm
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1999-ROVER-200-BR ... dZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Nova-GTE ... dZViewItem

some idea's

robin · Post by **robin** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:22 pm

206XS one of the best cars I've ever owned (Elise apart, of course).

In the words of Tony, they're great.

ExigeKen · Post by **ExigeKen** » Sat Sep 01, 2007 12:57 am

BiggestNizzy wrote:
gorrie wrote:Is the GTi better than the GTa? Different engines iirc (I'm sure 1 is K-series, the other isn't.. but can't remember which is what).
the Gti is a 16v with front shocks (normal metro's only have hydagas) and anti roll bars, it also has a close ratio gearbox both are k-series do not touch an old 1.3 gta it's older than Ken!

there are some 1.8 Gti's knocking about

What the fcuk is this have a go at Ken's age sh1t