Almost....

[Shug]

Cheers Robin- wealth of information as ever. Just didn't catch it once I'd missed the first kerb- was off the throttle, not braking, but too slow in centreing as you say. Fortunately I din't make that mistake twice or I would've been in trouble.

Dom- the autotesting I would love to do but need somewhere to practice. Given the skills I saw at Johnstone I'd be embarrassed demonstrating my lack of them in public

Anyone know of suitable bits of tarmac on the west coast?

Giles that's good to know about the bridgestones...

Dom has managed to get some practise time in at a few Autotests before they start. Seriously, it's the best place to learn and nobody is mocking skills. There's always a wide range of ability at any autotest.

[dezzy]

Was someone not going to arrange a car handling day in the KH paddock? I seem to remember this but I don't think it ever came to anything. Would be perfect for us all to learn a bit about this kind of car handling.

Bertie, get along to an autotest! I was so worried about looking like a fool at my first one but it was just so much fun! You'll love it! I learned a lot about car handling and while I'm not quite sure that the skills have transferred to the road, it's made me a little less scared about sideways driving! Walshy is the man for teaching the steering techniques, but I think I'd need a few more visits to him and a lot of practice before I felt confident that I could catch a slide successfully!

Glad you (and the car) are okay!

D

[Victor Meldrew]

John - In my experience R888 are excellent wet weather tyres, BTW, so I am not sure that there is much reason to swap from them to T1R unless you're driving through very deep standing water a lot (and even then, the difference between the two isn't much - the elise hates standing water no matter what the tyre).
Cheers,
Robin

Yup, agree with Robin, also on the R888/A048's in the wet.

Catching the slide and applying opposite lock is the easy bit (actually if you let go of the wheel it'll do it itself!).
The hard part is removing the applied lock at the right time - just before the rear re-grips... Training and practice is the only way...

My 888's are still quite new, very poor in the wet just now, much better with T1r's. Might not have the pressures sorted though. Still using same as T1r's.
Hopefully Friday nights Hot Marques at KH has taken the shinny bits off and given them a few decent heat cycles.

Any advice would be helpfull.

[robin]

What pressures are you running them at - I would guess 22/24 cold for road driving and for track driving I would let them down to 22/24 once I had warmed them up.

They may not be *as* good as T1R in the wet, but they are certainly better than the old P-Zero and the standard S2 bridgestone tyres. I would also say they are better than the Advan Neova in the wet, though it's harder to make a comparison there as the Neova struggles for heat in the wet (it's quite a hard tyre as elise tyres go). If you could get it warm then the Neova is probably as good as T1R - but you cannot get it that warm on the road in the wet, so in practical use, the T1R is better than the Neova.

Cheers,
Robin

[Victor Meldrew]

What pressures are you running them at - I would guess 22/24 cold for road driving and for track driving I would let them down to 22/24 once I had warmed them up.

They may not be *as* good as T1R in the wet, but they are certainly better than the old P-Zero and the standard S2 bridgestone tyres. I would also say they are better than the Advan Neova in the wet, though it's harder to make a comparison there as the Neova struggles for heat in the wet (it's quite a hard tyre as elise tyres go). If you could get it warm then the Neova is probably as good as T1R - but you cannot get it that warm on the road in the wet, so in practical use, the T1R is better than the Neova.

Cheers,
Robin

Obviously I have been running them too high 24/26.. thats what I run my T1r's at and they feel great.

[robin]

Well, it's not drastically too much air - I doubt you will notice the 2 psi much.

Do you run much camber on your car, or is it more-or-less standard?

One way to set the tyre pressures is to drive the car in a spirited fashion, measure the temp at outside, middle and inside of each tyre. Ideally you want all three to be equal. However, if there is a gradient, you want the centre of the tyre to be in between the inside and outside. The inside and outside are mostly controlled by the camber settings and how much the car rolls in typical use. The middle is tweaked by the tyre pressure.

But there isn't much point doing that on a wet road if you have an aggressive track geometry, because the car won't roll enough on the road to make use of the camber. If you have normal geo settings then a spirited road drive should raise the temperatures noticeably.

Cheers,
Robin

[gorrie]

I'm running 22 all round on my A048's now... seems to have made a big difference. I had them as per the book and had experienced a few dodgy moments.... That was the pressure I did the TT trackday at also and it felt planted.

I think the lower pressure has maybe introduced a 'just barely' noticeable amount of roll, but that's maybe no bad thing on my 135R as it seems a bit easier over road imperfections.

Andy.

[Victor Meldrew]

Well, it's not drastically too much air - I doubt you will notice the 2 psi much.

Do you run much camber on your car, or is it more-or-less standard?

One way to set the tyre pressures is to drive the car in a spirited fashion, measure the temp at outside, middle and inside of each tyre. Ideally you want all three to be equal. However, if there is a gradient, you want the centre of the tyre to be in between the inside and outside. The inside and outside are mostly controlled by the camber settings and how much the car rolls in typical use. The middle is tweaked by the tyre pressure.

But there isn't much point doing that on a wet road if you have an aggressive track geometry, because the car won't roll enough on the road to make use of the camber. If you have normal geo settings then a spirited road drive should raise the temperatures noticeably.

Cheers,
Robin

I am using the settings SteveB from Seloc sent me when I bought his damper kit, as far as I can remember they are the same as the 340r with a little more toe ine at the back. I will dig them out.

[Brian J]

Anyone who doubts that Lotuses can be driven briskly in the wet on 48s or 888s should have seen the Scottish Elisers at Cadwell yesterday

Even I, tiptoing round in the wet, was still seeing 110 plus before braking for the tight right hander.

[jamie]

I actually felt embarrassed for all the Exige owners as they got passed by the SE including Andy in RL passing Honda SCed cars

[Andy G]

I actually felt embarrassed for all the Exige owners as they got passed by the SE including Andy in RL passing Honda SCed cars

and i was 2 up

[Victor Meldrew]

I actually felt embarrassed for all the Exige owners as they got passed by the SE including Andy in RL passing Honda SCed cars

and i was 2 up

are we still talking cars or something else.....

[jamie]

He's talking about his dogging sesh in Aygo at lunch

[k12chu]

my 1st experience on wet surface cost me 1 front wheel + courier charges + a couple of phone calls + a few minutes of wasted time for scott, uldis, gareth, paul and tut

*and 1 month of no car*

now running on T1Rs and am happier

[jamie]

Never had any issues with running 48s all year round and find them very progressive on track in the wet. Only an issue with standing water and worn tyres.