Car gatherings getting banned

[Dominic]

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=16378

[Rich H]

we have some very say individuals on the 924 board (Not just because they have 924s before you all start!!) Enjoy..

Its like a lot of civil injunctions, badly thoughtout and impossible to prove and then implement. It just serves as a warning. It was done at a County Court (Civil). I can't see it being used against a Club such as the 924 gathering at a point and then moving onto another point. Had a look at it today and it states "that prevents ‘five or more motor vehicles from congregating together, driving in convoy or racing each other on the highway who by their conduct make excessive noise, cause danger to road users or risk injury or risk damage to property’." The bold bit is the important part. I can't see it being a problem. There already is in place "section 59" which gives greater powers. So I see this new injunction more of a propaganda tactic. Trouble is, the blue-rinse brigade will see a few cars parked up and want something done

In principle, all Police Forces have prefered to be told in advance if a large gathering of vehicles is expected at a certain point. So the Club maybe wise if we are getting together in Nottinghamshire to email the force and tell them.



For those who want some bedtime reading:


Seizure of motor vehicles
59 Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance

(1) Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which-



(a) contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and



(b) is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public,

he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).

(2) A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

(3) Those powers are-



(a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;



(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;



(c) power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;



(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to (c).

(4) A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers conferred on him by this section unless-



(a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and



(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the the warning.

(5) Subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if-



(a) the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;



(b) the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;



(c) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or



(d) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.

(6) A person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(7) Subsection (3)(c) does not authorise entry into a private dwelling house.

(8) The powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.

(9) In this section-



"driving" has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52);



"motor vehicle" means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and



"private dwelling house" does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.

60 Retention etc. of vehicles seized under section 59

(1) The Secretary of State may by regulations make provision as to-



(a) the removal and retention of motor vehicles seized under section 59; and



(b) the release or disposal of such motor vehicles.

(2) Regulations under subsection (1) may, in particular, make provision-



(a) for the giving of notice of the seizure of a motor vehicle under section 59 to a person who is the owner of that vehicle or who, in accordance with the regulations, appears to be its owner;



(b) for the procedure by which a person who claims to be the owner of a motor vehicle seized under section 59 may seek to have it released;



(c) for requiring the payment of fees, charges or costs in relation to the removal and retention of such a motor vehicle and to any application for its release;



(d) as to the circumstances in which a motor vehicle seized under section 59 may be disposed of;



(e) as to the destination-



(i) of any fees or charges payable in accordance with the regulations; and



(ii) of the proceeds (if any) arising from the disposal of a motor vehicle seized under section 59;



(f) for the delivery to a local authority, in circumstances prescribed by or determined in accordance with the regulations, of any motor vehicle seized under section 59.

(3) Regulations under subsection (1) must provide that a person who would otherwise be liable to pay any fee or charge under the regulations shall not be liable to pay it if-



(a) the use by reference to which the motor vehicle in question was seized was not a use by him; and



(b) he did not know of the use of the vehicle in the manner which led to its seizure, had not consented to its use in that manner and could not, by the taking of reasonable steps, have prevented its use in that manner.

(4) In this section-



"local authority"-



(a) in relation to England, means the council of a county, metropolitan district or London borough, the Common Council of the City of London or Transport for London; and



(b) in relation to Wales, means the council of a county or county borough;



"motor vehicle" has the same meaning as in section 59.

[BiggestNizzy]

What exactly contributes a congregation ? I see lots of cars congregating at asda every day, kilmarnock has a "cruise" as I beleive the young chaps call it, once a month and there is never any trouble surely there are enough laws in place already if anyone is causing trouble.
Driving in convoy ! what happens at a funerals / weddings are the police going to arrest them as technically they are travelling in a convoy.

as for racing that is illeage anyway ffs

Again the law abiding, tax paying, ordinary person gets f***ed over again.

As you can probably tell I'm not very happy.

why oh why do the powers at be feel that everthing has to be made illeage.

the 2 years prison sentence is laughable last week they where saying that peodo's shouldn't always goto jail.

now its let the child molesters out and lock up the 5 people who sat in a car pack chatting about how much faster their 1.2 corsa is now it has a K&N filter

TWATS arghhhhh

[j2 lot]

[tut]

"Old age War Pensioner jailed for allowing 70 Lotus Elises into his garden, and arranging a highly illegal drive around the congested roads of NW Scotland."

Well they missed their chance a couple of weeks ago, not one car stopped, and as far as I know, not one complaint.

The cop shop is only 1.5 miles down the road, and I had told them anyway what was taking place when they came to question Iain.

The S_E Forum must be fairly well known of in Scotland, anybody can join which would give them access to the Meets Section, so if they were intent on screwing us, they would have had full details of tt 2007, including the routes.

Not something I could get paranoid at, they could easily stick a radar gun or camera van along the route if they felt that way.

However when I used to do the Tour d'ecosse runs with the Scoobys, similar route to Saturdays, it could get silly, my Group was stopped five times in 2000. Nobody ever got a ticket though, or was charged with anything, as they always pulled us up in the villages, or we saw them and were only doing 60.

I think the difference is that the public/police take more exception to largeish Scoobys, as opposed to small groups of smarties.

tut

[k12chu]

"Old age War Pensioner jailed for allowing 70 Lotus Elises into his garden, and arranging a highly illegal drive around the congested roads of NW Scotland."

i like that one

well... if they want to ban more than 5 cars going together... we'll have to find another way

[bertieduff]

Er, given the current prison overcrowding, exactly where are they going to put us all?

[robin]

Er, given the current prison overcrowding, exactly where are they going to put us all?

I am sure some kind gentleman will accommodate you in his cell

Robin

[tut]

and of course, us S_E'rs would stick together......

tut

[ExigeKen]

and of course, us S_E'rs would stick together......

tut

Oh er missus

[Andy G]

Suspect they are out to get pikees, ned's and boy racers.

Us gentlemen (and lady) sportcar owners should be fine

[Rich H]

*NEWSFLASH*

30 Lotus Elise owners were arrested last night for "Proceeding in a column in an agressive and dangerous way with intent to cause noise and distress to the local wildlife" while leaving Knockhill Race circuit.

These henious criminals had organised themselves into a loose group called the "Scottish Elises" and have been linked to several public displays of nudity and loutish behaviour, particually around the Old Deer region. Their underground organisation has been condemmed by the local community.

I was shocked and appalled when a very fast plastic car overtook me in the outside of the motorway. I always travel in the middle lane at a safe 40 mph or less on the motorway as it is safer and greener that way

Several of the group have been known to deliberatly run over wildlife and display the results in a gory hall of fame and they have been reported to condone such acts as "overtaking" and "travelling at speeds of over 40 mph" which, although currently permitted under the law, the government has decreed these legal "loopholes" will be closed with new anti social behaviour laws.

Several thousand pedofiles, rapists, armed robbers and murderers will be released early from prison to allow space to inprison offenders

[thinfourth]

Where would we find more then 5 working cars

[bertieduff]

Where would we find more then 5 working cars

[BiggestNizzy]

Several of the group have been known to deliberatly run over wildlife and display the results in a gory hall of fame

Where I havent seen it, sounds cool.