Breaking news..........

[Scotty C]

the whole thing is a bit of a farce, wish Ron would pull the plug on his team.

Shuv it right up them

[BiggestNizzy]

This year Ferrari started the year and won the first race with a flexible floor, they claimed it was alright due to the way the FIA measured the deflection of the floor which is exactly what BAR claimed when they were banned for 2 races with their petrol tank, it was correct the way the FIA measured the cars.

As far as I was aware and I expect to be corrected flexible panels have been banned for jonks I remember looking it up as I came cam up with aan idea of flexible wings that would give high downforce at lower speeds and reduced downforce at high speeds, but someone had though it first and banned it

[tut]

Most of you will not remember as I do, Max Mosely's infamous father, Sir Oswald Mosley, former leader of the British Union of Fascists, in the 30's and 40's.

"His second wife Diana, whom he had married in 1936 in the presence of Hitler and Goebbels, was also interned, shortly after the birth of their son Max; they lived together for most of the war in a house in the grounds of Holloway prison."

Some family, but good to see that he is following in his fathers footsteps..........

tut

[jason]

This year Ferrari started the year and won the first race with a flexible floor, they claimed it was alright due to the way the FIA measured the deflection of the floor which is exactly what BAR claimed when they were banned for 2 races with their petrol tank, it was correct the way the FIA measured the cars.

As far as I was aware and I expect to be corrected flexible panels have been banned for jonks I remember looking it up as I came cam up with aan idea of flexible wings that would give high downforce at lower speeds and reduced downforce at high speeds, but someone had though it first and banned it

Moveable aero devices and aero devices that act directly on the unsprung wheels (as opposed to the chassis) are banned (orginally due to the dangerous failures of the high strut wings introduced in the 60s).... yet all the teams run aero wishbones too now.

But it's very puzzling how they have not nipped Ferrari's front wheel discs in the bud.

..I think I'd be pleased to see Belestre come back. Mosley has systematically worked against the 'sport' for too long

[BiggestNizzy]

http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/ ... 130907.pdf

not read it but was told to start at para 3.9

Yawn got bored reading.

How did Ferrari find out about these emails ?

[Mr Momo]

So why no punishment for Alonso ?

[BiggestNizzy]

So why no punishment for Alonso ?

because they couldn't just punish Alonso and would have to punish hamilton as well, and the UK press would go mental and make the sport even more unpopular.

wait a minute isn't that their aim ? hmmmm

[kenny]

[robin]

They couldn't punish the drivers because they had given them immunity in exchange for revealing any relevant information they had. In other circumstances they would have.

Interesting that Alonso/De La Rosa had something to reveal and Hamilton didn't (or chose not to reveal anything he may have had).

The whole thing smells. I am a McLaren fan, but I must admit that they haven't handled this one well. If they had acted firmly and more swiftly they could perhaps have avoided this one.

It's made worse by the fact that previously Ferrari has been found to be "cheating" and hasn't been punished.

100m$ is a lot of money. As Lawrence observed, it isn't stated where the Formula One Management Limited money that would have been due to McLaren will now go, but my bet is that it will be distributed amongst the remaining teams, either pro-rata with their entitlement, or more likely they'll all just get bumped up the scale, so Ferrari will get P1/P2 money provided they finish P3/P4.

McLaren don't really have the option of withdrawing from the series, but it must be tempting to do so anyway!

Cheers,
Robin

[Shug]

This year Ferrari started the year and won the first race with a flexible floor, they claimed it was alright due to the way the FIA measured the deflection of the floor which is exactly what BAR claimed when they were banned for 2 races with their petrol tank, it was correct the way the FIA measured the cars.

As far as I was aware and I expect to be corrected flexible panels have been banned for jonks I remember looking it up as I came cam up with aan idea of flexible wings that would give high downforce at lower speeds and reduced downforce at high speeds, but someone had though it first and banned it

Moveable aero devices and aero devices that act directly on the unsprung wheels (as opposed to the chassis) are banned (orginally due to the dangerous failures of the high strut wings introduced in the 60s).... yet all the teams run aero wishbones too now.

But it's very puzzling how they have not nipped Ferrari's front wheel discs in the bud.

..I think I'd be pleased to see Belestre come back. Mosley has systematically worked against the 'sport' for too long

Movable aero is still there - wings flex under load but there are pretty strict tolerances for it. Wishbones must be aerodynamically neutral, apart from a little bit on the inboard end of the rears IIRC, which falls outside the regulated wishbone area.

Giorgio Piola does fantastic books that detail all the wee features on the cars after each season. Beautifully illustrated (he's the guy that does the illustrations in Autosport for F1 stuff) they are worth getting just as coffee table books, but they are full of 'ah, so that's what it's for' moments too

[albutch]

Most of you will not remember as I do, Max Mosely's infamous father, Sir Oswald Mosley, former leader of the British Union of Fascists, in the 30's and 40's.

"His second wife Diana, whom he had married in 1936 in the presence of Hitler and Goebbels, was also interned, shortly after the birth of their son Max; they lived together for most of the war in a house in the grounds of Holloway prison."

Some family, but good to see that he is following in his fathers footsteps..........

tut

Just what I was thinking too, tut.

Mosley was the leader of the British Blackshirts who were kind of modelled on the Italian Blackshirts, Mussolini's fascist henchmen.

[jason]

As far as I was aware and I expect to be corrected flexible panels have been banned for jonks I remember looking it up as I came cam up with aan idea of flexible wings that would give high downforce at lower speeds and reduced downforce at high speeds, but someone had though it first and banned it

Moveable aero devices and aero devices that act directly on the unsprung wheels (as opposed to the chassis) are banned (orginally due to the dangerous failures of the high strut wings introduced in the 60s).... yet all the teams run aero wishbones too now.

But it's very puzzling how they have not nipped Ferrari's front wheel discs in the bud.

..I think I'd be pleased to see Belestre come back. Mosley has systematically worked against the 'sport' for too long

Movable aero is still there - wings flex under load but there are pretty strict tolerances for it. Wishbones must be aerodynamically neutral, apart from a little bit on the inboard end of the rears IIRC, which falls outside the regulated wishbone area.

Giorgio Piola does fantastic books that detail all the wee features on the cars after each season. Beautifully illustrated (he's the guy that does the illustrations in Autosport for F1 stuff) they are worth getting just as coffee table books, but they are full of 'ah, so that's what it's for' moments too

Yep. I'm a big fan of Piola's drawings... great skills - and enhanced with Gary Anderson's comments these days too. Didn't know there was a dedicated book of his drawings - got a link?

But IMHO the grey area with the wishbones is that they're not quite 'aero neutral' in the purist sense... they condition - and, crucially, *redicrect* - the airflow specifically to help other bodywork generate downforce - especially when they've been shruded in further bodywork.

but then it's a grey area I guess .... so I'll shut up

[gorrie]

From F1.com:-

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FIA President Max Mosley has revealed how Formula One racing’s governing body plans to spend the proceeds from McLaren’s record $100 million fine.

If Mosley has his way, McLaren’s rivals will receive a portion of the money, with the rest distributed among national motorsport authorities to help fund young driver programmes.

“Roughly half of it will go to the other teams, the other half we’re going - if the World Council agrees - to distribute to our ASNs worldwide to bring on young drivers,â€