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BiggestNizzy
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Two very different situations mate, knowing the rules to get you back on track after an off and deliberately blocking another driver isnt quite the same thing.
Had he sat in front of Ferrari's pit garage and blocked them do you think he might get a penalty?
Of course nothing will come of it because if the FIA were to hint at a penalty McLaren would come out with 'clutch problems' or 'couldn't select first gear'. Privately in McLarens snazzy new motorhome you can rest assured Ron Dennis will be pure fizzin'
He sat there for 11 seconds longer then he needed to and his team mate missed the line by 4 seconds, he knew exactly what he was doing but to do that to a team mate will turn out to be a huge own goal for Alonso,you could see the looks on the mechanics faces at the end, they were a tad embarrassed.
In terms of the rules he didn't cheat but we all know what was going on and as far as I am concerned he cheated Hamilton out of his final go at pole.
Which is all feckin' great tv, its like having Senna and Prost back
Had he sat in front of Ferrari's pit garage and blocked them do you think he might get a penalty?
Of course nothing will come of it because if the FIA were to hint at a penalty McLaren would come out with 'clutch problems' or 'couldn't select first gear'. Privately in McLarens snazzy new motorhome you can rest assured Ron Dennis will be pure fizzin'
He sat there for 11 seconds longer then he needed to and his team mate missed the line by 4 seconds, he knew exactly what he was doing but to do that to a team mate will turn out to be a huge own goal for Alonso,you could see the looks on the mechanics faces at the end, they were a tad embarrassed.
In terms of the rules he didn't cheat but we all know what was going on and as far as I am concerned he cheated Hamilton out of his final go at pole.
Which is all feckin' great tv, its like having Senna and Prost back
Wonder if I can place a bet at a dodgy pit call in tomorrow's race that puts Alonso second to Hamilton.
Dennis is no stranger to "dirty tricks" within his team - he's always had his favourite drivers in the past had employed "mistakes" to ensure the other driver (there's no second drivers at McLaren) came down the pecking order.
Mac
Dennis is no stranger to "dirty tricks" within his team - he's always had his favourite drivers in the past had employed "mistakes" to ensure the other driver (there's no second drivers at McLaren) came down the pecking order.
Mac
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kenny wrote:If he had done it on the track he would have been penalised for it, you're right though whilst not strictly cheating its still very, very unsporting.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the team talk that follows
Thought it was very unsporting (assuming he was doing as it appeared) Was really hacked off at the time.
I was also pretty hacked off at the BBC yesterday, who reported that Hamilton had 'only' managed to get 3rd fasted in practice sessions.
Will be interesting to see how Damon manages with commentry on the race. Where is Brundle? Louise reckons she can't bare to watch the race, as cock face Allen will take over the commentry.
Yes, all is fair in love and war.
The public story from McLaren is that they are there to win as a team - i.e. "Big Ron" is more interested in making sure McLaren take the constructors' championship; having one of his drivers win the drivers' championship is secondary (though often one comes with the other).
So what Alonso did ended up not affecting the team (they were guaranteed a 1/2 on the grid before the final runs I think) so he will probably live with it - Alonso will have it explained to him that it's won't happen again - even the mighty Alonso can get fired, and I wouldn't put it past McLaren to let him go if he continues to use this sort of tactic - in the end it will cost the team points and/or bring them into disrepute (i.e. cost them sponsorship cash).
His explanation was that the team held him to give him a gap; clearly not true as when they did that on the previous stop, they did it by holding him on the lollipop. The team wanted him to go - he hasn't made any excuses about clutch/first gear/engine troubles, so it's probably too late to do so now - he had better make the most of it then!
I hope Hamilton out scores him tomorrow despite starting behind him - we'll see - they are probably on quite different strategies as Hamilton claims to prefer the softer tyre while Alonso is running the hard tyre. Remember they both start on the same fuel load as planned - Hamilton did one fewer qualifying lap and so gets one lap less fuel credit. In all probability Hamilton will pit first, and Alonso will retain the lead after the first round. The only time I see it changing is if it rains (but Alonso is fearless in the rain) or in the final phase when Hamilton is running hard tyres and Alonso will be forced to use the soft tyres.
We'll see tomorrow!
Cheers,
Robin
The public story from McLaren is that they are there to win as a team - i.e. "Big Ron" is more interested in making sure McLaren take the constructors' championship; having one of his drivers win the drivers' championship is secondary (though often one comes with the other).
So what Alonso did ended up not affecting the team (they were guaranteed a 1/2 on the grid before the final runs I think) so he will probably live with it - Alonso will have it explained to him that it's won't happen again - even the mighty Alonso can get fired, and I wouldn't put it past McLaren to let him go if he continues to use this sort of tactic - in the end it will cost the team points and/or bring them into disrepute (i.e. cost them sponsorship cash).
His explanation was that the team held him to give him a gap; clearly not true as when they did that on the previous stop, they did it by holding him on the lollipop. The team wanted him to go - he hasn't made any excuses about clutch/first gear/engine troubles, so it's probably too late to do so now - he had better make the most of it then!
I hope Hamilton out scores him tomorrow despite starting behind him - we'll see - they are probably on quite different strategies as Hamilton claims to prefer the softer tyre while Alonso is running the hard tyre. Remember they both start on the same fuel load as planned - Hamilton did one fewer qualifying lap and so gets one lap less fuel credit. In all probability Hamilton will pit first, and Alonso will retain the lead after the first round. The only time I see it changing is if it rains (but Alonso is fearless in the rain) or in the final phase when Hamilton is running hard tyres and Alonso will be forced to use the soft tyres.
We'll see tomorrow!
Cheers,
Robin
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Ron Dennis says Hamilton is to blame.
Clicky here
personally I think that is a smokescreen to avoid any potential penalties, publicly humiliate Hamilton and exonerate Alonso, privately I still think the opposite will be taking place.
Asked about his reaction at the end of the session, when he was seen slamming his headphones on the pitwall, Dennis explained that despite the all-McLaren front row result, he was frustrated by the errors made through the session.
"OK, we are first and second, but we didn't do what we should have done as a team," Dennis said. "It wasn't the clean operation that I would have liked it to be, because it didn't unfold the way we meant it to unfold. It's as simple as that.
There is no escaping Dennis's immediate reaction, his body langauge, throwing away his headset, storming over to Alonso's trainer and removing his headset in a manner that suggested 'I am doing the talking here and you had better listen', clearly McLaren are doing their best to avoid any penalties the FIA might throw at them.
Clicky here
personally I think that is a smokescreen to avoid any potential penalties, publicly humiliate Hamilton and exonerate Alonso, privately I still think the opposite will be taking place.
Asked about his reaction at the end of the session, when he was seen slamming his headphones on the pitwall, Dennis explained that despite the all-McLaren front row result, he was frustrated by the errors made through the session.
"OK, we are first and second, but we didn't do what we should have done as a team," Dennis said. "It wasn't the clean operation that I would have liked it to be, because it didn't unfold the way we meant it to unfold. It's as simple as that.
There is no escaping Dennis's immediate reaction, his body langauge, throwing away his headset, storming over to Alonso's trainer and removing his headset in a manner that suggested 'I am doing the talking here and you had better listen', clearly McLaren are doing their best to avoid any penalties the FIA might throw at them.
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Looks like the stewards have got involved & penalised alonso for the delay in the pits....
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61370
Rediculous if you ask me - F1 is a bit of a nanny sport these days. Wouldnt have hapened 10 years ago etc etc.....
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61370
Rediculous if you ask me - F1 is a bit of a nanny sport these days. Wouldnt have hapened 10 years ago etc etc.....
Arriving broadside, in a cloud of smoke......
Alsonso has been demoted to 6th on the grid. McLaren will not be awarded any constructors points if they are in a position to score any:mac wrote:I'm blinkered for thinking that what's good for one is good for the other???
Checked F1.com and there's no mention of Alonso being dock places.
I'm also suprised the Renault driver got away with blocking the Torro Rosso driver in Q1 - they punished DC heavily for less earlier in the season.
Mac
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61373
