NLC - Citroen Saxo/Pug 106

tuscan_thunder · Post by **tuscan_thunder** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:10 pm

The Saxo/106 looks a good bet for a hillclimb car (1600cc so stays in class A2)

There are a lot damaged VTR Saxos on the go for peanuts. VTSs are a bit dearer.

Does anyone know if the 16 valve head from the VTS/106GTi fits onto the VTR (8 valve) block?

If so, are there any other changes I need to do to get the 16v head on the 8v block?

I think the blocks are the same but don't want to bet on it....

Thanks in advance
J

craigs135s · Post by **craigs135s** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:46 pm

PM CSK am sure he has a vts and might no.

Cheers
Craig

CSK_423 · Post by **CSK_423** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:28 pm

the VTR block can take the 106 XSi head no problem I'm unsure wither it will take the VTS head as it's a 16v

I believ the blocks are the same heard diff. stories about altering pistons blah blah etc.

I would personally pay the very little extra for a VTS.

standard performance is great for 120bhp, 0-60 7.3secs and 130mph

I had a group N OMP steel exhaust with decat and enclosed green induction kit on my VTS and it pushed nearly 130 which is good for very little work and much cheapness

GMC motorsport in Newton stewart are the experts regarding the saxo's 106's etc. they supercharge and do allsorts, if you gave them a bell they would answer any tech. queries over the phone, they do great performance orientated exhausts and filters and don't sh*t.

GMC 01671 403606

to sum it up I would get a VTS make it breath easier and if you could spend some more money, new cams a dastek piggy back ECU to control it all.

ps a 106 Rallye gearbox or vtr has closer ratios, lower top end but quicker in a sprint

tuscan_thunder · Post by **tuscan_thunder** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:39 pm

Very useful sir.

I've seen a heap of VTRs at low prices (the free insurance thing offered when new has resulted in a glut of them I think) but the VTSs still seem to hold just that bit more.

I'll give those guys a phone and see what they can do for me.

With 120bhp as stock, it's a good base point to make car competitive (ish) in class A2 on the hills. It'd be up against Novas with about 180bhp+ so obviously, I'd need to tweak it some but it's a light car and a good size in the first instance so it should tune quite well.

Plan of action would be:
strip it (incl underseal and maybe perspex it),
weld in a cage (net weight reduction negligible)
stiffen the front springs and sort out the back (it's torsion bar, yes?) and get the back about as stiff as it'll go,
AO48s or R888s,
exhaust+induction
Cams and a re-map would be next stage then maybe look at porting the heid

Would it be the 1300cc Rallye 'box?

CSK_423 · Post by **CSK_423** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:58 pm

the 1600cc box is supposedly the best.

My mate had his VTS supercharged, stats on that were 0-60 in 5.5 and off the clock !

Paid around 4k all in, that was the charger, intercooler, dastek pushed around 150bhp+ at the wheels i think, very smooth and a real sleeper.I had just bought the elise he was trying to keep up

suspension - yeah rear is a torsion bar, He had the full Bilstein suspension set up from GMC (I had basic set up -50mm springs and rear setup to match), amazing handling ! they handle great as standard even better with billies. Loads of 3 wheel action when cornering

also try saxosportsclub.com, there is a few boy racers kicking about on it but there is alot of good guys who know there stuff in the technical section.

Here is a couple of pics of mine, few years back, only 250 in this colour, in VTS form. can't find any pics of my stripped VTR

http://images17.fotki.com/v28/free/f98b ... 1057189845

http://images17.fotki.com/v28/free/f98b ... 1057189829

CSK_423 · Post by **CSK_423** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:04 pm

here's some pics of my mate Marko's set up, I forgot he fitted larger discs

http://public.fotki.com/markovts/supercharger_pics/

tuscan_thunder · Post by **tuscan_thunder** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:04 am

cheers mate! I'll keep all updated once I get the wheels (awful pun) rolling

CSK_423 · Post by **CSK_423** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:54 am

Mk2 White VTS, one of the best colours, on here forsale cheap for what it is, might be too high for your budget ???

http://www.saxosportsclub.com/index.php ... pic&t=3409

woody · Post by **woody** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:55 pm

It'll take it - but with a bit of engineering.

Much easier, cheaper and more tested method would be to stick the 16v in an 8 valve car. Plenty of these have been done.

have a look at http://www.106rallye.co.uk for lots of good info.

tuscan_thunder · Post by **tuscan_thunder** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:33 pm

CSK_423 wrote:Mk2 White VTS, one of the best colours, on here forsale cheap for what it is, might be too high for your budget ???

http://www.saxosportsclub.com/index.php ... pic&t=3409

wee bit dear, but it's the right kind of thing.

Woody, nae sure I know what you mean - I'm planning on putting the 16v into an 8v already?

woody · Post by **woody** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:59 pm

i meant the whole engine, sorry.