Brake disc upgrade - Advice required

kenny · Post by **kenny** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:20 pm

Following my visit down to Judeperformance, Dan seemed quite happy with the abuse my brake discs had been given and reccommended that I change my discs to aluminium belled discs.

Thinking of getting these from Eliseparts

Was thinking of just changing the fronts, £288 inc vat, or am I best to change the rears as well, £485 for full set.

Probably stick with the Pagid RS42 pads and chucking on some braided hoses as well. £70 inc vat also from Eliseparts.

Anyone used this combination before or reccommend superior alternative?

Oh and what brake fluid would be best for some hard braking on track?

Novice Racer · Post by **Novice Racer** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 7:11 pm

Got mine from Stu 160 after advice from other members. Not aluminium belled but great price and he machines them himself. Great quality. Full set was £240.

Novice.

jamie · Post by **jamie** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:54 pm

Dont forget as Ed will tell you braided hoses cost a lot to fit as its clam off

mckeann · Post by **mckeann** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:55 pm

I have the ali belled discs from eliseparts.

I read a post on seloc where a guy weighed his old lotus discs and the new eliseparts discs and there was only something like 0.6kg difference in favour of the ali bells, so i wouldnt buy them on the lightweight principle.

Since doing another walshy day and getting the hang of his braking technique (hard, fast, and with no fear

) the eliseparts discs arent coping very well. I'm getting pad deposits on the discs and they feel grumbly and sh*t after 10 minutes on track.

Maybe its just coz i'm braking harder and from a faster speed than before, but i think i am going to look into upgrading beyond the elisepart discs.

kenny · Post by **kenny** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:04 pm

jamie wrote:Dont forget as Ed will tell you braided hoses cost a lot to fit as its clam off

Bugger, didnae realise

mckeann wrote:I'm getting pad deposits on the discs.

I'm getting that on mine at the moment. I know I am very hard on my brakes, I could kill a set of pads in a single track session no probs in my CTR. I was of the belief that the ali-bells would give me the increase in longevity required?

If thats not the case am I going have to go a step higher, APRacing 4 pots?

mckeann · Post by **mckeann** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:27 pm

you dont need to change the calipers IMHO so 4 pots are a waste of money.

Either the discs need to be either kept cooler, or be able to handle the higher temperature, so as to stop the pad deposits.

Also remember, the CTR is a heavy car (as is an S2 exige compared to the original elise design) and its the extra weight that will kill the pads.

I'm going to look into some bigger AP discs, so will let you know what i find

kenny · Post by **kenny** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:31 pm

Cheers for the comments Neil, if ali-bell discs arent going to be be the improvement I am looking for what are my options?

tadltd · Post by **tadltd** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:55 pm

http://www.turner-auto-design.com/lotus-elise-parts.htm

Prices are discounted for SE members (up to 15% depending on product)

robin · Post by **robin** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:09 am

I haven't tried it, but I imagine there isn't a huge point in fitting braided hoses to a system that has a servo - isn't it the icing on a very mushy cake?

The ali belled disks use the same material for the actual disk I suspect. Your best bet is to get the grooved/dimpled EBC disks (or see if you can persuade Stu to groove some plain ones for you), as these are cheapest.

What pads are you using - the OEM pads may well be the cause of your initial disk deposits - how many pad sets have you been through?

Given the costs involved I would be inclined to (a) forget the hoses (b) buy a set of EBC or similar disks and a set of RS14 or RS42 (the former if you do a lot of track days).

See how you get on - you can always upgrade to bigger brakes next time around.

Cheers,
Robin

kenny · Post by **kenny** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:18 am

Currently using Pagid RS42's Robin.

Post by ed » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:31 am

tadltd wrote:http://www.turner-auto-design.com/lotus-elise-parts.htm

Prices are discounted for SE members (up to 15% depending on product)

clicky doesnt work

im currently having this same dilemma kenwood,
do let me know what you choose as ill need to get the same

yes braided hoses cost me circa 4 hours labour and was not cheap

was only expecting 1 ish so hours, clam was off for a different job.
im sure dan would provide a much more competative price.
think the ali bells are a little OTT IMHO!!
think i will be going for turbo grooves or muts nuts efforts if i can get them.

Stu160 · Post by **Stu160** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:36 am

I can do grooved ebc ones,as per DDtB pics.

Stu

PM me if you are wanting some

MacK · Post by **MacK** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:06 am

Stu160 wrote:I can do grooved ebc ones

Picture,

Post by **Shug** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:09 am

robin wrote:I haven't tried it, but I imagine there isn't a huge point in fitting braided hoses to a system that has a servo - isn't it the icing on a very mushy cake?

I opined that on Exiges.com and was roundly lambasted. Couldn't be arsed arguing the point as an 'outsider'...

Still maintain it though - I'd challenge you to feel any difference with a servo in the way - and braided hoses are all about feel.

Andy G · Post by **Andy G** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 11:22 am

I've driven Ed's back to back with mine and couldn't spot anything.