Spoke too soon? S1 odd noise...

timmsky · Post by **timmsky** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:12 am

RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:I dunno but it must have left a big dent in the bonnet!!

Looks highly specced though, all those shiney bits...

Look at that lightened flywheel!

I think the engine is goosed though don't you?

mac · Post by **mac** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:39 am

Dry sumped too

Mac.

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:53 am

Possibly too dry....

It's very clean for a shattered block. Where has the cam gone?

timmsky · Post by **timmsky** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:06 pm

I've had a quote from a company who have an '01 1.8K (non VVC) engine minus gearbox and ancilliaries.

Will a '01 engine fit a '98 car?

Cheers,
Iain

offshorematt · Post by **offshorematt** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:48 pm

timmsky wrote:
Lawrence wrote:100:1 it's fecked

oh dear! hope not!

I wonder why they introduced that cut out in the flat of the pulley as that has caused the misalignment

Perhaps you should say where you found such a heap of garbage so we can all avoid them at all costs
I haven't a clue Lawrence, it's how the car came from Matt!! He might know who did the alleged work on the pulley when allegedly the woodruff key was destroyed previously.... Those are the feckers to avoid like the plague. Mind you, he did do a Stelvio after having it fitted

I think the pulley is just for the bin, but it might make an interesting paperweight.... the end of the crank upon closer inspection doesn't look too bad so i'm guessing the pulley is the sacrificial bit, as you would suspect...

Cheers,
Iain

Chr1st! Just got up to speed with this thread and although a fair bit is way above my head, looks like the problem is connected to the issues with the crank pulley I had early last year (late 2005?). Can't remember all the details from that time but the pulley had worked loose and I believed that the woodruff key had acted as a lathe cutting away metal on the pulley and rounding off the key at the same time. If you do a search for my posts at the time you'll be able to read the history of the whole affair. I spoke to Dave Andrews of DVA at the time for some advice with regards woodruff keys and crank removal etc. (Iain- were the emails not included in the paperwork I gave you? I used to keep all that stuff together) Ended up putting the car into a garage to have a new crank shaft pulley (from a Rover dealer), the ali alternator pulley (from Eliseparts - misguidedly it now seems

) and new belt/tensioner. There were no problems with the engine after that and as Iain says, it enjoyed a 4000mile Stelvio in addition to at least 10k road miles before getting sick. I'll happily name and shame the garage if you guys are convinced that the job was badly bodged but I've been using them for more than ten years and have had nothing but good service throughout so I'm a bit reluctant if it's just conjecture. Also, I'm a bit confused as if I picked up rightly, it seems that this car doesn't even have a woodruff key and I was sure that was the cause of the problem the first time...
I may have the damaged parts from last time still in the shed and if so, I'll look them out and post pics.

As far as compression went, I bought a compression tester and tested the engine early this year when trouble shooting the starting problem and it had compression then. I'm almost certain I posted the results up in my "Sick K" thread if you do a search... Although I guess that doesn't mean that the engine isn't fecked now I suppose

Sorry this turned into such a painful fix, Iain

timmsky · Post by **timmsky** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:55 pm

No worries Matt - you weren't to know and I bought the car knowing it had an unresolved issue

The car will almost certainly not have had a Woodruff key, as Robin's search of the various K Series manuals seems to point to. Seems none of them did...

The garage that fitted the new pulley may well have done a decent job, but my guess is that they failed to point out the wear on the crank shaft spigot that it attatches to. It is so worn now, that even if the timing can be adjusted to get it running, I doubt it would be solved long term as it may wear out the 'new' pulley now fitted.

Hence the search for a new engine

I am going to check the timing again before all is lost, but even if it's out, the crank issue is making me wary so i'll probably transplant another K series anyway.

If you can find the parts and post up some pics that may help.. especially if you can find the elusive woodruff key

Cheers,
Iain

timmsky · Post by **timmsky** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:05 pm

Amazing reading back through that thread - timing could have been the issue all along, with the dodgy crank pulley!

http://www.scottishelises.com/phpbb/vie ... highlight=

offshorematt · Post by **offshorematt** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:41 pm

Yup and to think I had even booked it into a local garage last novemebr to have the timing checked just in case. Ended up cancelling as the mechanic pi$$ed me off when he patronisingly told me "okay but we're going to check the usual suspects first as the timing belt slipping is unlikely". No sh1t! I wasn't about to pay for them to repeat all my work. Maybe should have perservered but got sidetracked chasing other possibilities...

Reading that thread also reminded me - Robin, I still have your spare inlet manfold and fuel rail/FPR in my folk's garage. Apologies, it totally slipped my mind. I'll bring it down next time I'm going South, or if you need it in the meantime, just yell! Cheers

timmsky · Post by **timmsky** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:46 pm

offshorematt wrote:Yup and to think I had even booked it into a local garage last novemebr to have the timing checked just in case. Ended up cancelling as the mechanic pi$$ed me off when he patronisingly told me "okay but we're going to check the usual suspects first as the timing belt slipping is unlikely". No sh1t! I wasn't about to pay for them to repeat all my work. Maybe should have perservered but got sidetracked chasing other possibilities...

Reading that thread also reminded me - Robin, I still have your spare inlet manfold and fuel rail/FPR in my folk's garage. Apologies, it totally slipped my mind. I'll bring it down next time I'm going South, or if you need it in the meantime, just yell! Cheers

So who's is the spare fuel rail I have?

offshorematt · Post by **offshorematt** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 3:20 pm

I ended up ordering a new one as well from MMC... They all got mixed up so I'm no longer sure which ones you have

Either that or they're multiplying in the boot...

robin · Post by **robin** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:44 pm

I don't need the manifold/fuel rail back in a hurry, so next time you're passing you can drop it off or send it to KH with someone and I can get it back like that.

Cheers,
Robin

timmsky · Post by **timmsky** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:10 pm

I have come to the conclusion after giving it some serious thought that even if the timing can be sorted and the engine run, the issue with this worn crank shaft pulley spigot is always going to be in the back of my mind. Okay, it may never fail, and fixed as per Fd's advice of using liquid metal/studlock etc, it may last another 60K miles, but I am not ready to take that challenge yet

It would be just my luck for the pulley to whizz round again on a camping trip or weekend blast leaving me stranded in the back of beyond in the pouring rain with no mobile signal or waterproofs......

I have therefore arranged for another engine to be sent up for transplant. A simple straightforward swapover with another 1.8K standard motor.

Thanks for everyones help, advice and assistance in trying to get this issue sorted. Now we are to the bottom of it, I really think everyone's time would be better spent on helping more needy folk

Watch out for a "How to transplant a K series" thread on a message board near you

Thanks all,
Cheers,
Iain

PS - Also watch classifieds for a fixer-upper K series engine & box

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:15 pm

timmsky wrote: Watch out for a "How DO I transplant a K series" thread on a message board near you

timmsky · Post by **timmsky** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:37 pm

RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:
timmsky wrote: Watch out for a "How DO I transplant a K series" thread on a message board near you

You'd better empty your PM box Richard because when this new engine arrives it'll be all hands on deck

Post by **Shug** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:46 pm

Might try and pop up to give you a hand mate (depentant on timings)

That's two I've witnessed/helped with now

You have a forklift, right?