Trump

[Dominic]

Quite a lot of chat going on about Trump. What's SE's thoughts on how it will effect us, if at all?

[tut]

A lot on WA between us but there are times when I feel that I am talking to myself on here.

tut

[Dominic]

I am sure there is plenty of chat on WhatsApp about it. I was privileged to be included in the private WA group, but it's not for me. I can't keep up with the hundreds of messages and don't like the jumbled unstructured format. Just my stubborn old fashioned opinion of course, plenty seem to like it and have the time for it.

Back on topic, Are we all doomed??

[Shug]

Trying not to discuss it on the internet as I'm sick in my stomach that the most powerful nation in the world would actually vote in a fascist, xenophobic, racist, misogynist who's been proven time and again to flat out lie through his teeth without even being clever enough to do it in a way he can't get caught...

But then people will pop saying he's not all that bad and it won't really affect us, etc, etc... I tend to agree with the moderate view that he'll be held back from some of the more batsh*t ranting from his campaign, but that's not what makes be depressed for the world. It's simply that he got elected at all on the ticket he was running. I think we all hoped 8 years ago when Obama got in that perhaps the US, and the world, was growing up a little. This is a regression in every way.

All IMO, etc, etc...

[BiggestNizzy]

Not everyone who voted for Trump is a bigot, but all the bigots voted for Trump. Like Brexit this emboldens them and makes them believe they are correct and this is the bigger problem.

The world is becoming more polarized as people feel more and more marginalised by the political systems. This is a problem for the western world not just the US/UK. who would put money against Marine Le Pen in France? Because those who take advantage of the situation do well, wither that was Farage, Trump or even Sturgeon, currently the other side have no answer to their message they want to carry on as normal with their head in the sand.

Obamacare will probably go, Nato could be at an end, Climate change could cause problems, Global trade wars are all possibilities. I expect congress will keep him in check for the most part but he has a habit of sh*t people to get what he wants, world leaders are not likely to take kindly to it.

[mxvx]

The golf course at Balmedie is exceptional - can highly recommend!

[j2 lot]

Politics is broken.

[campbell]

The only constant is change, cliché but true.

This is our generation's seismic change just as German unification was the previous, or break up of Soviet Union, or various revolutions before them all.

I have little respect for Trump although I have to acknowledge the business empire he's built. You don't mange that by accident or luck. Although a big bung from Dad is always a good help!!

I don't plan to ever play his golf courses as I think the way he treated people around the first project was poor. And his petulance over the windfarm didn't befit a professional businessman - limited Emotional Intelligence there IMHO.

The establishment needed a wake up call and he offered a big group of voters a route to do it. Just need to be mature, and let him have a shot at running things I guess. Like his original Apprentice programme, if he is responsible for the failure of that task then he WILL be fired. Trouble is, you can do a lot more damage in 4 years than 1 week...

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[greyrigg]

I think it says more about the quality of the democrat candidate than anything else.
Like Brexit the vote was far from conclusive in terms of %age of vote either way.
My own conclusion is that social media is playing such an important part in campaigning that the traditional route to voters of main stream press and media is being circumvented and it is giving a rise to the more extreme views which, unfortunately, many people hold.
Time will tell if it is a big disaster, a small disaster or no disaster at all. A protectionist world will not be good economically for anyone.
Malcolm


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[Scotty C]

I don't plan to ever play his golf courses as I think the way he treated people around the first project was poor. And his petulance over the windfarm didn't befit a professional businessman - limited Emotional Intelligence there IMHO.

never mind the fact it was built on a SSI site.

I have 2 minds about the course. I have played it a couple of times and it amazing and coming from a golf course construction background I was originally a bit pissed off with the people that were given offer to move, but I can see why they didn't want to move.

The whole resort would have been good for the area, but im not 100% sure if he (Trump)even wanted to build the big hotel and houses etc and i very much dout the oil slump will help that now. The wind farm thing was just an excuse.

Change will be happening and its going to be a interesting 4 years.

[pete]

The only constant is change, cliché but true.

This is our generation's seismic change just as German unification was the previous, or break up of Soviet Union, or various revolutions before them all.

I have little respect for Trump although I have to acknowledge the business empire he's built. You don't mange that by accident or luck. Although a big bung from Dad is always a good help!!

I don't plan to ever play his golf courses as I think the way he treated people around the first project was poor. And his petulance over the windfarm didn't befit a professional businessman - limited Emotional Intelligence there IMHO.

The establishment needed a wake up call and he offered a big group of voters a route to do it. Just need to be mature, and let him have a shot at running things I guess. Like his original Apprentice programme, if he is responsible for the failure of that task then he WILL be fired. Trouble is, you can do a lot more damage in 4 years than 1 week...

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I'm not sure about the "empire" didn't he start off with a huge fortune and end up with a smaller one?

"How do you make a small fortune in the airline industry?"
"Start off with a large one."

Baboom.

[kenny]

Do you remember the last tut towers that was hosted at Craig Wallace's place and Scotty was running around in that big shed we were in asking everyone what they would rather lick, tut's feet or tut's balls? and everyone was responding fck no I'm not answering that! And Scotty's giving it "you have to answer, you have to pick one"

That's kinda how I see the choice Americans had in this election.



I can't remember if tut's feet or his balls won.

[thinfourth]

I think it says more about the quality of the democrat candidate than anything else.
Like Brexit the vote was far from conclusive in terms of %age of vote either way.
My own conclusion is that social media is playing such an important part in campaigning that the traditional route to voters of main stream press and media is being circumvented and it is giving a rise to the more extreme views which, unfortunately, many people hold.
Time will tell if it is a big disaster, a small disaster or no disaster at all. A protectionist world will not be good economically for anyone.
Malcolm


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I think social media does have a part to play in trump getting in/brexit and the poles getting it wrong

Why?

have you ever seen this kind of message on faceache

If you vote tory/leave/trump then you are a evil scumbag/racist/idiot!

If you haven't then you probably don't have a faceache account


This has two effects

The first effect is that contrary to mainstream thinking throwing loads of insults at people does not work very well at getting someone to support your cause. They just get pissed off with you

The other effect is that people dare not state they vote tory/leave/trump in public. So when a polling company asks them how they vote. They lie.


So this leads to pissed off people going a very private polling both and saying up yours i'm voting tory/leave/trump



Oh and to be honest i am glad Trump won

It lead to a couple of epic meltdowns at work from the couple of hard lefties.

Next weeks fun is to ask the staunch SNP republican who lost their mind over trump winning to tell me how Americas head of state is so much better then our head of state


Oh and clinton did seem to be a bit war mongery

[greyrigg]

The face ache comment was exactly what I meant.

I think that the group think that is generated by social media gives a lot of traction to many people's ideas that the establishment doesn't like, that's democracy at work.

Malcolm

[tut]

I can't remember if tut's feet or his balls won.

I can't remember either Kenny, though Verian did say when I got into bed that it was a pity that my feet were not as clean as my balls.

tut