Scottish Elises

For gawds sake cross the floor and join Labour together with your soul mate Jeremy.

He took over as conservative Leader in 2001 but was thrown out soon after following a vote of no confidence. He was a wimp then and he is a wimp now.

tut

tut wrote:For gawds sake cross the floor and join Labour together with your soul mate Jeremy.

He took over as conservative Leader in 2001 but was thrown out soon after following a vote of no confidence. He was a wimp then and he is a wimp now.

tut

massively disagree...

Yes, he's no leader, but he is a man with principals and not some tory yes man.

How you equate him to comrade Corbin I'm not sure?

Either way, if this f**ks up Gideon's leadership chances, then job well done IMHO.

Quite right he is no leader, that is why he was kicked out and stood no chance of being PM.

Could not give a damn about his principals, Corbyn supposedly has lots of them as well, either one of them as leader of the Country would be a disaster.

tut

tut wrote:Quite right he is no leader, that is why he was kicked out and stood no chance of being PM.

Could not give a damn about his principals, Corbyn supposedly has lots of them as well, either one of them as leader of the Country would be a disaster.

tut

Luckily we will get Boris.

Tut, maybe I missed something. IDS resigned because he could not support further cuts to disabled benefits. He felt they were politically motivated rather than economic.

Assuming that is correct, I don't see why you are being so hard on him?

Cheers,
Robin

he did the right thing and as a result the cuts he opposed were dropped - job done. Although his intentions are maybe further reaching ...

Because non popular decisions have to be made if there is going to be any chance of sorting out the economy and reducing the National Debt. The Conservatives now seem to be back pedalling on all the decisions they have made recently, they were obviously not going to be popular but instead of sticking to their guns they have just bent over.

Before they started on targeting individuals with benefit cuts they should have been going after the organised gangs that are mass claiming for family members who do not exist, up to eighty at a time in one case, and getting away with it because they actually have a family member sitting behind the armoured glass in the Benefits Office.

I personally dislike IDS for his performance when he was Tory Leader, but fortunately the Party had a No Confidence vote in him and he resigned. He was also caught up in two scandals, one with the claims of the Universities that he had attended and qualifications that he dreamt up, and the other with the salary that he was paying to his wife. Great qualities for a potential PM.

As a result I am now quite happy to see him leave the Cabinet and trust that he will not get the opportunity to resign for a third time. As an aside, Maggie publicly supported him for the Leadership position, looking back probably because she did not want the "Iron Lady" to be followed by an "Iron Man".

tut

tut wrote:Because non popular decisions have to be made if there is going to be any chance of sorting out the economy and reducing the National Debt. The Conservatives now seem to be back pedalling on all the decisions they have made recently, they were obviously not going to be popular but instead of sticking to their guns they have just bent over.

Before they started on targeting individuals with benefit cuts they should have been going after the organised gangs that are mass claiming for family members who do not exist, up to eighty at a time in one case, and getting away with it because they actually have a family member sitting behind the armoured glass in the Benefits Office.
tut

don't disagree with your direction, just the target.

I think the implementation of Universal credits is essential to clean up the benefits system, and I credit the project to IDS, that said, it's taking far too long and is becoming itself too complex with the treasury calling the shots rather than the minister.

this spat is really about lack of ministerial control and how everything is run by the chancellor/treasury dept.

the tax cuts should not have been done (moving the 40% threshold), and we should not be ring-fencing stuff like overseas aid (sorry, bribes).

the deficit is still f**king massive making the national debt plain scary.

Not that I think the other shower of morons could do any better, they all seem to be financially illiterate.

Tut. I guarantee that the long term cost to the tax payer of caring for people with disabilities will be fairly constant. You simply push the cost from the DWP to the NHS or worse the doj when people end up falling completely out of the system and become criminals.

More than happy to pursue the fraudsters but that has nothing to do with the case in hand.

Remember the reasons we are in this mess? Nothing to do with the disabled!

robin wrote:Tut. I guarantee that the long term cost to the tax payer of caring for people with disabilities will be fairly constant. You simply push the cost from the DWP to the NHS or worse the doj when people end up falling completely out of the system and become criminals.

More than happy to pursue the fraudsters but that has nothing to do with the case in hand.

Remember the reasons we are in this mess? Nothing to do with the disabled!

very much so...

problem with all this is stuff is simply out of control and tick-box management is not the answer.

Just look at motability, how has it gone from:



to a fleet of over 650,000 cars... the biggest in the UK and one of the biggest in the world.

Great system, they have just given me a £40,000 Volvo.

Ridiculous I agree, a £12K Skoda would have done fine, but that is the system, at least I have justified my War Pension, and in an ideal society we would look after all the genuine poor, disabled, breadline OAP's etc, but that takes a lot of money and it has to come from somewhere. My simple solution is to raise Income Tax by a few pence so that it is spread over the whole population, but that would be a death blow for any sitting Government. No other way would bring in that amount of money, it would affect the lower paid as well as the rest of us unfortunately, but that extra revenue could be plowed back into Benefits, making sure that struggling families could afford to heat their homes, improve the NHS, and at the same time bring down the national debt on which we are wasting billions on in paying off interest payments. This would help those in need most but at least they would get a return in exchange.

tut

I'm going to be paying a bit more tax per £ of income from 6 April. I don't actually mind. BUT I do mind how it will be spent, and don't have a lot of faith in it going to where it will matter most.

Oh and I've done my bit for Motability. I delivered a disabled war pensioner's 345bhp trackday special back to his very inaccessible front door just last weekend.

ROFL

Pop back and wash it please Campbell.......

tut

If I hadn't such a sore head after the Feast of The Goose I would've done it before I left!

If you need it babysat again - God forbid - then you never know...