Scottish Elises

Anyone else think is a tad coincidental that a Russian submarine was spotted off the coast of Scotland at the same time as the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) cuts he number of Type 26 anti-submarine warfare frigates from 13 to 8 ?

Russians clearly knew the detail before the public did would be my conclusion .... trying to play on the fears maybe , make Cameron look inept.

22 November 2015
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34896956

23 November 2015
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34897076

Was news to me we are now getting 2 carriers instead of one. Looking forward to seeing the F35 in our skies.

Also spotted this:
Governments are apparently using TWITTER to get the message across in a sarcastic way.

https://twitter.com/canadanato/status/5 ... 4198927361

Maybe it was an American sub, sponsored by Boeing..

It shows how the world's stategic map can change over just 5 years (since the last SDR).

On the nuclear deterrent, while no sane really want to have to have it, its slightly worrying that with Corbyn and the SNP in position to influence the decision on renewal based on party policy and short-term political gain. The time is not right for that IMO..

Rosssco wrote:Maybe it was an American sub, sponsored by Boeing..

It shows how the world's stategic map can change over just 5 years (since the last SDR).

On the nuclear deterrent, while no sane really want to have to have it, its slightly worrying that with Corbyn and the SNP in position to influence the decision on renewal based on party policy and short-term political gain. The time is not right for that IMO..

Much better to trust Cameron who 2 years ago wanted to bomb Syria and now has to come back and ask again.

Admittedly 2 years ago he wanted to bomb THE OTHER SIDE but that's just politics. At least he was geographically approximately correct.

there is a presentation doing the rounds on FB which explains the Syria situation with regard to who is fighting who and why and it's not nearly as clear cut as the UK news reports it. And although Russia is bombing in the area they are actually bombing the side that we are backing as well as Isis and we are bombing the side Russia is supporting as well as Isis. Then there are the rebels in the north who are fighting Isis and Iran has people on the ground in support of the original Government with the Sudia's throwing money at the rebels we and the Americans are arming.

All very confusing ...........................

I don't think the UK news is reporting it all well.

From what you on the news you'd struggle to realise that this isn't a re-run of the 2013 vote (which was to bomb Assad).

pete wrote:

Rosssco wrote:Maybe it was an American sub, sponsored by Boeing..

It shows how the world's stategic map can change over just 5 years (since the last SDR).

On the nuclear deterrent, while no sane really want to have to have it, its slightly worrying that with Corbyn and the SNP in position to influence the decision on renewal based on party policy and short-term political gain. The time is not right for that IMO..

Much better to trust Cameron who 2 years ago wanted to bomb Syria and now has to come back and ask again.

Admittedly 2 years ago he wanted to bomb THE OTHER SIDE but that's just politics. At least he was geographically approximately correct.

You're conflating 2 very separate issues on nuclear deterrant renewal, and bombing Daesh in Syria (aka, ISIS). Unless you're proposing nuking ISIS..

If you take the decision to bomb Daesh, I think it's relatively pointless to just do this in Iraq. It should cover where ever they operate..

Though today we are seeing the 'Too many cooks' effect where airspace is becoming crowded with too many bomb trucks..!

scott_e wrote:Anyone else think is a tad coincidental that a Russian submarine was spotted off the coast of Scotland at the same time as the Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) cuts he number of Type 26 anti-submarine warfare frigates from 13 to 8 ?

Russians clearly knew the detail before the public did would be my conclusion .... trying to play on the fears maybe , make Cameron look inept.

22 November 2015
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34896956

23 November 2015
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34897076

Was news to me we are now getting 2 carriers instead of one. Looking forward to seeing the F35 in our skies.

Also spotted this:
Governments are apparently using TWITTER to get the message across in a sarcastic way.

https://twitter.com/canadanato/status/5 ... 4198927361

I would read it the other way;

Spotting Russian subs may not be out of the blue, but we'll brief the press on this one as tomorrow we're announcing new anti-sub aircraft.

Rosssco wrote:
You're conflating 2 very separate issues on nuclear deterrant renewal, and bombing Daesh in Syria (aka, ISIS). Unless you're proposing nuking ISIS..

If you take the decision to bomb Daesh, I think it's relatively pointless to just do this in Iraq. It should cover where ever they operate..

Though today we are seeing the 'Too many cooks' effect where airspace is becoming crowded with too many bomb trucks..!

Willfully conflating

I was making the point that Cameron's judgement ain't that marvellous, 2 years ago he wanted to bomb Assad, now (presumably having discovered a love of British Reggae music) he wants to bomb one of Assad's enemies instead.

Rosssco wrote: On the nuclear deterrent, while no sane really want to have to have it, its slightly worrying that with Corbyn and the SNP in position to influence the decision on renewal based on party policy and short-term political gain. The time is not right for that IMO..

I don't get that bit so understand that I'm not trying to be willful here.

All the decisions are based on party policy surely, what else would they base their decisions on? And I don't think it is based on short termism (but I could be wrong).

What makes it difficult is Corbyn is anti-nuclear but his party is pro so lord only knows how they will vote.

I'm not sure what you are suggesting instead...

Don't get all your news from the BBC.