Scottish Elises

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30082212

tut

Absolutely condemn his actions but the question has to be asked how he got on to the track in the first place?

I think his ass is in line for its own "Fun Cup" endurance race for the next 8 months...

I'll be honest, and put my ass on the line here for a beating...

Yes, the complete arse should have been given a hard beating, but I'm sorry, 8 months in prison....

Given some of the scum out there, and i do realise the consequences and the 'what could have happened' but I still feel this is inappropriate.

<Bring it then!>....

I kind of agree with you, he was a tube and there could have been serious consequences but there are far more heinous crimes that seem to warrant very little action so this does seem fairly heavy punishment


But he was a knobhead..... as Tut so eloquently put it

Who'd have thought YOLO has consequences...?

It's not that his punishment is too harsh, far from it.
The problem is people being convicted of far more serious offences are not getting punished enough.
2p


Sent from somewhere using something

On the subject of sentencing discrepancies, people are judged based on expectations, it seems. We don't expect a woman to stab her husband or commit arson ... so she gets a far heavier sentence than her husband would. We do expect neds to be neds. So they get relatively light sentences for their long list of crimes. This is sub-concious, not policy, obviously. I cannot be bothered to look up references, but I am sure the interested party will be able to find numerous papers comparing sentences handed out for similar crimes to different individuals and attempting to explain the differences between them.

There are clearly ways to improve the above ... provide a data collection mechanism and sentence generation algorithm that only takes relevant factors into account (i.e. that ignores the sex, age and social background of the offender). In the end you probably won't like the outcome of that either - the judges would still use their discretion inappropriately (i.e. based on their perceptions and expectations, rather than just the cold facts). It just isn't a science and we need a human in the loop because no algorithm can cover all eventualities.

Longer sentences for all means little more than spending more tax money, building more jails. The end outcome is largely the same - jail is neither a deterrent nor a cure - that much should be obvious from our experience this far.

Whilst it is a lot more work, and goes against your first testament instincts, a better way to reduce crime is to understand and then tackle the causes. Parenting, education, opportunity will feature, but only detailed study into numerous individuals will reveal all the causes - they are not as obvious as you would like to think. Also not cheap, and very "liberal" so not popular, but logically is the better and (in the long run) cheaper solution.

Of course some people are just idiots ... like this chap. I haven't read it in detail, but I'll bet he was very young when he did this - below 25 for sure. Again I cannot be arsed to provide references, but there are many studies attempting to explain why young men are willing to take risks of this type for such tiny rewards (climbing scaffolding, tight rope walking, base jumping, jumping off rocks, driving at insane speeds on the public road, etc., etc.). I am sure there are many explanations, but mostly they revolve around an inability to imagine the consequence of their actions, both to themselves and those around them. There is a "warrior" theory - genetically humans benefit from having their young men be fearless warriors - they tend to win battles, catch more prey, etc. I am sure there are others.

As young men get older something changes. They turn into us, tutting away on the internet at the actions of the youth

Cheers,
Robin

I thought this comment was quite apt:

"This bellend was completely typical of the 'no regrets' having a 'laff' YOLO 'Dapper' fking stupid haircut Oi Oi! generation, and really needed to be made an example of in my opinion".

robin wrote:As young men get older something changes. They turn into us, tutting away on the internet at the actions of the youth

Cheers,
Robin

Oi, watch it.........

tut

ps:- best way, stand them up against a wall and shoot them. Used to work well in the good old days.

robin wrote: I am sure there are many explanations, but mostly they revolve around an inability to imagine the consequence of their actions, both to themselves and those around them. There is a "warrior" theory - genetically humans benefit from having their young men be fearless warriors - they tend to win battles, catch more prey, etc. I am sure there are others.

Their frontal lobes are not fully developed. Therefore they are less capable of reasoning.

As young men get older something changes. They turn into us, tutting away on the internet at the actions of the youth

Cheers,
Robin

Quite.

Tsk tsk indeed.

Not tut tut, btw.

Without knowing the full details of the case it does seem harsh but he has been made an example of in the hope that with the publicity the case has had nobody will be stupid enough to do it again. On the other hand the judge could be looking at it thinking of the concequences of an accident at higher speeds than the public road.

One thing thats always confused me with sentencing is why do you get a lighter sentence for attempted murder than you do for murder? I mean it's the same except you were a bit rubbish at killing someone.

As for young men we can do some royally stupid things, normally to impress the opposite sex. Only whne you get older do you realise that it was all in vain and they ladies think your a dick.

I believe the judge made specific comments about making an example out of him, which IMO was the right thing to do. This could easily have resulted in someone's death and was by all accounts 'Dangerous Driving' which does carry a custodial sentence.

It's all too easy today for idiots like this to post something on the internet and have 100's of other idiots copying them instantly. A message had to be sent.

Good sentencing, again, in my opinion.


What I think should be considered though is; is the sentencing correct for other crimes? I think we all know the answer is probably, in the most part a resounding 'no'

BiggestNizzy wrote: One thing thats always confused me with sentencing is why do you get a lighter sentence for attempted murder than you do for murder? I mean it's the same except you were a bit rubbish at killing someone.

Classic........

Only when you get older do you realise that it was all in vain and the ladies think your a dick.

Watch it..........

tut

Can I revise my earlier post -I ve watched the recording now and he deserves more than 8 months on the basis that he's an obnoxious twat