139mph in a 60

[C7Steve]

Recent speeding incidents;

http://www.iam.org.uk/media-and-researc ... e-iam-show


Steve.

[tut]

Did not even get a mention.

tut

[C7Steve]

Did not even get a mention.

tut

Number 16.3 is in the same area.


Steve.

[Mikie711]

Number 1 never got caught, was in the paper the other day. Bike v's scamera van, never got it's number plate.

[pete]

Sorry, I know there are loads of IAM folk on here but that just comes across as sanctimonious wank.

"These speeds show there are still drivers out there displaying a contempt for the law and for the safety of their fellow road users."

But these aren't safety issues. There weren't crashes. I don't condone speeding but I do know that if (which I wouldn't) I drove at 135 in my shiny Golf down the A74(M) at, say, 2100 on a Saturday evening then it is not a safety event.

Yet if my mum (say) pulled out of a side road and knocked off a motorcyclist (which she did) then that would be a safety event but not get counted in statistics because she stopped and said sorry. She wasn't speeding.

And if some ar$ehole on a motorbike that he can't bloody ride crossed the white line because HE CAN'T RIDE HIS TOY then that is a safety event regardless of how bloody fast he is going. (one more today making it a grand total of FOUR this year where I have had to take avoiding action on godawful motorcyclists).

So ban motorcyclists and shoot IAM members for talking about statistics rather than sh*t they know about.

Like pipes. And cardigans.

(Too strong?)

[j2 lot]

(Motorcyclist and IAM driver)



FWIW, I think we should ban cyclists then I wouldn't be nursing a broken shoulder having been knocked off my motorbike by one

[pete]

(Motorcyclist and IAM driver)



FWIW, I think we should ban cyclists then I wouldn't be nursing a broken shoulder having been knocked off my motorbike by one

I actually agree - the standard of our 2 wheeled brethren is bloody awful. There are hardly any cyclists on the road yet I regularly see them riding like idiots. But motorcyclists are worse.

But that doesn't mean you are a bad motorcyclist, that would be a logical fallacy, it just means in my experience there are a lot of bad motorcyclists. But the leader of your organisation, the IAM, is a sanctimonious wanker. That doesn't mean you are too but it does beg the question how he got to be your leader and why you keep giving him your money.

Next time you get done for speeding and the magistrate quotes this ar$ehole in his summing up, remember the IAM only has a platform because you pay them...


(Still too strong, right?)

P

[tut]

No excuse for speeding Pete, never mind points, those found guilty should be hung, drawn, and quartered.

tut

[pete]

No excuse for speeding Pete, never mind points, those found guilty should be hung, drawn, and quartered.

tut

Abso-bloody-lutely. Speeding is a crime and for that reason alone it is utterly wrong. As well as the other reasons.

I've heard that they IAM were petitioning last year for "crossing the hands whilst steering" to be cited as evidence of careless driving in the event of a crash.

[Corranga]

just one took place on a motorway – the rest were on A roads.

So, that'll be other than the 7 that took placed on the A74(M) then...
Blue signs, a hard shoulder, and 'end of motorway regulations' signs as you leave obviously don't denote a motorway to the IAM..

[Dipper]

"These speeds show there are still drivers out there displaying a contempt for the law and for the safety of their fellow road users."

theres 2 totally unrelated statements there IMO. I do have contempt for the law when it comes to speeding. i dont however have contempt for my fellow road users safety.

a week or so ago i was battering down the A90 showing my contempt for the law by only slowing for speed cameras. it was dry and sunny..ish. somewhere south of dundee a monsoon passed through. with wipers on full i still couldnt see 100yards and there were rivers across the road. i was in the inside lane doing max of 50 with a lorry up my arse and cars flying by in the outside lane, nose to tail and mostly without their lights on!

yet, i'm the criminal!

[graeme]

Next time you get done for speeding and the magistrate quotes this ar$ehole in his summing up, remember the IAM only has a platform because you pay them...

(Still too strong, right?)

P

I'll bite.

I don't pay IAM membership fees to keep that mouth in a job. I thought exactly the same as you when I read the article... what does this have to do with safety? I see so many IAM media team fails... every facebook post by their social media team starts an unmoderated public argument amongst the beards. I despair.

However, there is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that the IAM, as an organisation of volunteers giving up their time to spend with others, improves the safety of its members and anyone around them on the road. It has been statistically demonstrated that IAM members have significantly fewer accidents, and despite thinking I knew it all before I started I was amazed at how much I learned on the course, and ever since (you never stop practicing what you learn). It is, as a program of advanced driving that's highly affordable and accessible to all, extremely valuable.

That's why I keep renewing each year, for no personal benefit (I don't attend any events or use any discounts or services). I consider it a charity donation to road safety which I know for certain does some good, and keeps it affordable for new members to access. If some of my fee has to go on rather poor administration, well, I don't care enough to withhold my contribution. Net, it's money well spent in my mind.

/2p

[tut]

I did Walshy's IAM course back in 2000 when he first started instruction after winding up his racing team.

Probably a different version as I remember him not being too fussy about speed, and we did the handling course around two roundabouts in Swansea, one large, one small. He used a standard S1 for teaching, blue with orange wheels, but I had a 180hp K engine then, so we spent the weekend in that.

tut

[pete]

I'll bite.

I don't pay IAM membership fees to keep that mouth in a job. I thought exactly the same as you when I read the article... what does this have to do with safety? I see so many IAM media team fails... every facebook post by their social media team starts an unmoderated public argument amongst the beards. I despair.

However, there is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that the IAM, as an organisation of volunteers giving up their time to spend with others, improves the safety of its members and anyone around them on the road. It has been statistically demonstrated that IAM members have significantly fewer accidents, and despite thinking I knew it all before I started I was amazed at how much I learned on the course, and ever since (you never stop practicing what you learn). It is, as a program of advanced driving that's highly affordable and accessible to all, extremely valuable.

That's why I keep renewing each year, for no personal benefit (I don't attend any events or use any discounts or services). I consider it a charity donation to road safety which I know for certain does some good, and keeps it affordable for new members to access. If some of my fee has to go on rather poor administration, well, I don't care enough to withhold my contribution. Net, it's money well spent in my mind.

/2p

All good points (and I've heard you make them before just as eloquently).

But the impression I get from hearing your leader speak is he is representing a bunch of poorly educated H&S nazis. Perhaps, as an organisation, you should consider applying your philosophy of continuous improvement to yourselves as well as to your driving.

Because when they send one of our members to prison for accidentally speeding I'm blaming you lot*.

p


*I'm not really but it scanned well as a sentence.

[graeme]

Think of the IAM as being more like a collection of local groups, much like the Scouts or Guides. Whatever they does at a national admin level has very little effect on your local group, or the experience your little ones have at camping trips; that's all down to the enthusiasm and hard work of local group leaders/staff. Nobody thinks of the Scouts or Guides as one big national group with a spokesperson... it's all about the personal experiences of the individuals, which can vary wildly depending on who happens to contribute in your area. If the Chief Scout wants to speak his mind on the issue of the day, does that in any way affect the activities of the lads in your local cubs troop on a Tuesday night? Not a bit.

Looked at from the bottom up, at a local group level, the IAM is fantastic. It's volunteer run, by people who want to be there, not because they're paid to be there. I care not a bit what it looks like from the top down, even as a member. Of the things which give the IAM a bad name or an image problem, that mouthpiece at the top is not even in the top 10.