Galloway's rant.......

[tut]

We finally managed to deport Abu Hamza for spreading racial hatred, such a pity that we can not do the same with this low life specimen.

tut

[twisted2fit]

That hamza guy was a nutter, not heard anything by Galloway half as bad

[Rosssco]

Well when he comes out with anit-Israeli pish like he did, it's no wonder people view him as a propagandist.. I actually thought he was smarter than this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28687233

[robin]

Tut, what do you think is wrong for calling a boycott on Israeli products and services, and, if you believe that what they are doing is wrong, why would you not also extend it to Israeli civilians as well? Israel is not part of the EU, so employers are under no obligiation to consider Israeli citizens on equal terms with other candidates. A boycott would be possible (if harsh on the individuals - but some would denounce violence, and they would no doubt be considered differently).

I am not saying I would support such a boycott, but it doesn't seem to me to be totally outrageous point of view for somebody who is on the Palestinian side of the conflict.

Cheers,
Robin

[twisted2fit]

He's gone too far there:-) pretty hilarious and stupid calling Bradford an Israeli free zone. Some of the other stuff he says about the Palestinian conflict resonates with a lot of people. Being anti-israeli doesn't make one anti-semitic just as being anti-iraq (under saddam) didn't make anyone antimuslim. That's the only issue I have with people being defensive about anti-israeli sentiment.

[Sanjøy]

I recall my folks boycotting South African stuff in the supermarket in the 80s. I have stopped buying Israeli sourced stuff some from the supermaket of late.

That and organising a toy collection for Gaza kids.

S

[twisted2fit]

I think it's tragic what's happening to the Palestinians in the short term and tragic/ irresponsible what the Israelis are doing for Jewish security/safety in the long term...

[Rosssco]

Have a read at this article which was posted on anotehr forum. I think it makes a lot of sense..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ali-a-riz ... 02701.html

The point is being, that by saying you're "anti-Israeli", you're just taking the fairly blind, often media-driven approach to a conflict far more complex than any of us understand. How many have actually been to Palestine or Israel or know people who are close to the conflict? Are all Israeli's in support of this conflict? No. A good proportion are, but then again they have the minor issue of an extremist Muslim group looking to destroy and inflict as much random carnage to them just down the road..

Just like that stuff about putting a Palastinian flag up in Glasgow..??? What is that all about?

[twisted2fit]

It's not a religious conflict.. Israelis persecute indigenous Christians and Muslims too and the indigenous Jews are treated badly as well. they are equal opportunity discriminators:-)Islamic extremism has nothing to do with it The Palestinians just happen to be majority Muslim. .They could be Buddhist for all the Israelis care.... and if they were Buddhist I'm sure they'd retaliate too.
On a personal note I claim semitic ancestory (though from a Muslim family) and am very sympathetic to the Jewish plight.

[Rosssco]

It's not a religious conflict.. Israelis persecute indigenous Christians and Muslims too and the indigenous Jews are treated badly as well. they are equal opportunity discriminators:-)Islamic extremism has nothing to do with it The Palestinians just happen to be majority Muslim. .They could be Buddhist for all the Israelis care.... and if they were Buddhist I'm sure they'd retaliate too.
On a personal note I claim semitic ancestory (though from a Muslim family) and am very sympathetic to the Jewish plight.

I disagree that its not a religous conflict. As noted in that article, Israel has been building settlements on the West Bank as some see that land as historically theirs, according to Jewish teachings.

On the other side, Hamas (not referring to Palestians) are an extremist Islamic organsitation, almost exclusivly dedicated to the eradication of Israel.

As usual its the moderates and innocents that suffer in between the extremities of the two.. I also don't agree that Israel wants the destruction of Palastine, but it does want to removal of extremist elements. Painting the conflict in black and white as Galloway has done by being "anti-israeli" and comparing it to South African apartiet (speelling) is ignorant, and just makes it clear he is playing to a part of his own electorate.

[tut]

If anybody else had said it Robin I would probably not even noticed it. As it is, especially being a retired Serviceman, I despise Galloway which is probably something that I would not say about anybody else.

Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi were his heroes. This to a mass murderer:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIy_GmvUElE

Or try this sickening Video to his son, another mass murderer that tortured and killed thousands for his own sick pleasure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1NfnbJr-qg

"GEORGE Galloway has claimed British and American troops trained al-Qaeda terrorists… in Fort William."

"British soldiers deserve to die for fighting in this war."

I had read or seen these at the time, but a couple of minutes googling confirmed them.

However I can always fall back on the image of "Think of poor, silly George Galloway pretending to be a cat lapping milk from the hands of Rula Lenska." to cheer me up.

tut

[twisted2fit]

He's a politician like any other. They all talk rubbish at some point... some just do it more consistently. I'd say Tony Blair damaged our international standing more and put us at risk.
I get really confused to why Israelis think they have any rights on Palestinian land or why they should be in the middle east at all...i just see it as a modern day form of colonisation done under the banner of Judaism. The settlers don't even look semitic. .. They look very European to me.
Anyway I personally think it doesn't concern us and we shouldn't get involved:-)

[Rosssco]

He's a politician like any other. They all talk rubbish at some point... some just do it more consistently. I'd say Tony Blair damaged our international standing more and put us at risk.
I get really confused to why Israelis think they have any rights on Palestinian land or why they should be in the middle east at all...i just see it as a modern day form of colonisation done under the banner of Judaism. The settlers don't even look semitic. .. They look very European to me.
Anyway I personally think it doesn't concern us and we shouldn't get involved:-)

I dunno, I guess its our fault being the ones in charge at the time. Presumably it made some sense as a location given that there were millions of displaced Jews after WW2, and the location has great historical and religious significance to them. The land currenty "occupied" by Israel was realtively sparely populated, and there was no Palestinian state to speak of. The idea of a Palestinain state was created after Israel. You could go back in time ad infinitum as to who was there first, but gets us no where.

Israel is a very multi-cultural place by all accounts (I haven't been, but may do sometime in the future), and is part of the reason why it's a sucessful country, ultimately, significantly more democratic than all its neighbours in that region. The fact that they are surrounded on all sides by countries and people who hate them and wish them eternal misfortune (or won't even acknowledge it exists), and have tried in 2 invasions / wars (and failed miserably) to destroy the country, means it really should really come as no surprise that they are very reactionary and over-zealous when it comes to their own defence.

The outside world puts its own set of values and level of proportionality on the middle-east, when they live in a very different world in some respects. I'm not saying what they are doing is right, or justifiable even within their on context, but there's never going to be a solution if everyone continues to deny the realities of the conflict.

[twisted2fit]

I don't think it's our fault as such. The current population or govt of the United Kingdom should not be held accountable for wrongs committed in the name empire at a time none of us were born. I recently met a young German exchange student who told me she had been nervous coming to school here because her friends told her we were still angry about the war..she was only 17:-D

[twisted2fit]

Though reflective learning teaches us to be self critical so we can learn from our experiences ...so I guess I can see where u may be coming from.