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Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:56 am
by tut

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:05 am
by Shug
Not sure what Bernie has to do with it, but it's a farce... Legal since 2008, but they've now changed their mind?

I've heard it compared to Wrestling, in terms of fixing the sport, and this is the best example yet...

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:22 am
by flyingscot68
This is why I lost interest in F1 a few years back.
It's not racing, it's politics combined with advertising and revenue raising for the owners.



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Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:58 am
by graeme
Total farce. By all means ban them for 2016, giving teams plenty of notice, but this absolutely smacks of "Viewers are getting bored, so how can we cripple the Merc?"

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:01 pm
by robin
Does anyone understand why it is the interlinking that makes these systems fall foul of an aerodynamic regulation? I understand the cars are not allowed movable aero parts and in the past they've gone to some lengths to "cheat" by having parts that flex under load to try and work around this. I don't understand why interlinking the front and rear suddenly causes some movable aero part that isn't there as part of the suspension design already (e.g. the wishbones and steering arms have apparently aerodynamic profiles).

Given the fact that the wheels influence the aero it would seem any car might fall foul of that regulation!!

Cheers,
Robin

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:06 pm
by woody
robin wrote:Does anyone understand why it is the interlinking that makes these systems fall foul of an aerodynamic regulation? I understand the cars are not allowed movable aero parts and in the past they've gone to some lengths to "cheat" by having parts that flex under load to try and work around this. I don't understand why interlinking the front and rear suddenly causes some movable aero part that isn't there as part of the suspension design already (e.g. the wishbones and steering arms have apparently aerodynamic profiles).

Given the fact that the wheels influence the aero it would seem any car might fall foul of that regulation!!

Cheers,
Robin
Wishbones have set profiles to negate any gain there. Not sure if they're interpreting it as the system stabilises the car and is therefore affecting the aero?

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:12 pm
by Shug
Yup - extrapolating the rule to have the whole car platform as a controlled aerodynamic component. Of course, de-linking suspension, the car is still a movable aero device, but they can't control it so closely. I think the systems are designed to affect rake changes dependent on braking and acceleration.

But yeah, basically they are stretching the rules as they see fit to impose a penalty on the best performing car. FFS just go Touring cars and give them success ballast if we want to be this farcical about it...

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:02 pm
by tut
Same bunch of wankers designed the Dildo.

tut

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:33 pm
by tut
whoops, that should read Dodo......

tut

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:36 pm
by flyingscot68
Lol


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Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:24 pm
by robin
Surely god designed the Dodo on day 6.95?

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:33 pm
by Kelvin
I doubt Bernie has much of a say in it.

Couldn't this just make things far worse and increase the gap between MB and everyone else?

F1 has become a ridiculous sport although it's hard to see what they should do.

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:57 pm
by Dominic
Kelvin wrote:I doubt Bernie has much of a say in it.

Couldn't this just make things far worse and increase the gap between MB and everyone else?

F1 has become a ridiculous sport although it's hard to see what they should do.
My thoughts too- The Red Bulls are reported to have good handling in the corners, while MB have a mega engine (and no doubt a good chassis too). So, to get rid of the handling benefits, would surely penalise the likes of Red Bull more than MB :scratch

I wish they could leave things alone, and accept that every so often, one team, for a while, will have a big advantage. Kudos to MB for letting their drivers compete between themselves, and giving us a battle at the top of the champsionship.

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:02 pm
by tut
Vettel, World Champion for the past four years with a completely dominant car, now can barely get on the podium with a second rate one. Likewise Alonso.

Goes to show that the car is the star.

tut

Re: Good old Bernie......

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:09 pm
by Kelvin
tut wrote:Vettel, World Champion for the past four years with a completely dominant car, now can barely get on the podium with a second rate one. Likewise Alonso.

Goes to show that the car is the star.

tut
Pretty much always been the case , certainly in the modern era. There's not much between the top ten drivers so stick one of them in a dominant and reliable car and the likelihood is they'll win the WDC. The real story for Vettel is that his rookie partner is handing him his arse.