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Post by jj » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:30 pm

Just been surfing ebay looking for a mini for the bird (new mini) and found this.

Very cool, love the details (interior - steerng wheel, pedal box, etc)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LOTUS-MINI-VAN_W0 ... dZViewItem

Must shift! I met a guy at the weekend with a K powered mini running his own ECU and he said it was fun!

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Post by mckeann » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:35 pm

hmmmm. interesting. take the bit that all the lotus boys throw out(coz its sh*t), install it in a mini and market it as a good thing.

cant see it working, especially when you can have a honda type R engine installed in a mini now

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Post by jj » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:39 pm

Eh? So every S1 Elise running a K is sh*t? Mine was fine!

From what I have heard there are a lot of minis running K series. And ts 4k, not 14k. A honda or Z Cars mini is waaaaay more £ than that. :?

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Post by mckeann » Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:41 pm

didnt say every elise with a k series in it was sh*t. i said the K series was sh*t.

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Post by Stu160 » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:42 pm

mckeann wrote:hmmmm. interesting. take the bit that all the lotus boys throw out(coz its sh*t), install it in a mini and market it as a good thing.

cant see it working, especially when you can have a honda type R engine installed in a mini now
Oh Neil,???you have been brain washed

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Post by simon » Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:44 pm

Too much time spent on selcock :P

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Post by mckeann » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:13 pm

funny story. i logged onto MSN last week and three of my contacts were on line. all 3 of them were elise owners and had suffered HGF in the past month. my car was off road aswell with HGF. hmmmm. coincidence. maybe, but it goes to show that the k series has troubles. 2 of these were standard engines, 1 was a DVA and 1 was a stu pollock special.

so, i stand by my k series is sh*t slogan.

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Post by woody » Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:18 pm

But you can fit a K in a round nose mini - can't do that with any honda engine and keep RHD.

I have a couple of mate's doing interesting mini conversions just now - a vx 1600 8v on TB's and the other a Zetec again with TB's but driving through a mini box.

BTW if a K is sh*t, try an A series :P

Strangely, i dont mind the crappy ride and handling of her new MINI now i'm in the elise most of the time :?:

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Post by mac » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:05 am

Simon's gasket failed, so was a true HGF, most of the time it isn't a HGF but a head failure, hence they need to be skimed.

To say the K series is crap is, at the very least, an untrue generalism.

Ok, in this guise, and in this application it does seem to have developed a taste for eating heads, but it that the fault of the engine or is it the application? There must be hundreds of thousands of K power vehicles on the road, surly if the K was that soft then the hard shoulder would littered with rovers.

My opinon is that it's the application of the engine that is flawed, but then if Lotus weren't able to stick in a cheap, mass produced engine then perhaps the elise would be out of the reach of most of the pockets here.
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Post by mckeann » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:22 am

when i bought my elise i took it to my local garage who serviced my ibiza to show it off. the mechanic (a friend from school) took a look at it and was really impressed until he saw the K series.

when i got my engine tuned, and it failed, he laughed and said he told me so. this is a small independant garage in bo'ness that have seen more than there fair share of K series HGF and head failures. he was the first person to confirm what dva told me about porosity.

3 more things.

firstly, my comment of it not working was probably wrong. if it can be done cheaply, then i can see the point in doing it in a mini

secondly, my comment on stu having done a head for simon and it having HGF wasnt slagging off stu. far from it. i'm pals with stu and know he does good work. i only mentioned it to show that even K's put together by good guys like stu still have HGF. so the K isnt a great engine

thirdly, i stick by my comment of the K being sh*t. Maybe not a sh*t engine, but sh*t reliability. You may have never experienced it, but it doesnt mean its not a problem. remember rover were on watchdog for reliability issues with the K series. this is a well recognised problem that everyone except rover (and some elise owners) seems to realise

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Post by mac » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:35 am

I know you weren't have a go a Stu or his workmanship, just letting it be know that it was an actual compent failure, rather than anything to do with porosity and alike.

I'm just saying that the K series engine isn't all that bad. the 1.8's are over stressed, it did start out as a 1.4 engine for the metro and in true BL/Rover tradition they just try and squeeze more and more out of it. I had the 1500 in the back of my spitfire which started off as a much smaller engine, and it enjoyed throwing shells ever 2 to 3 thousand miles

Lotus changed engine suppliers for the elise so that they could break the US & european markets (UK sale manager told me that when they tried to sell the in europe they were told to go home and bring it back when THATS NOT IN THE BACK.


For me it's not enough of an issue to pay for an engine swap. I'm lucky enough not to have it as my main car and be able to do the work on it myself. I can buy a lot of gaskets and bolts for 8-10K :D

For others, the K has made the elise affordable and can't spend cash on conversions.

Sh!te K - I would say no, it was and is a good engine but is getting near the end of it's life cycle.

Unreliable K - yeah, probably!
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Post by Stephen » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:33 am

Neil,
Do the k's whic are not on track and not tuned fail as readily?

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Post by jj » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:42 am

Its got an Elise steering wheel! And pedal box. How cool.

All this engine this and that, look at the mini..... its even got a big boot!

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Post by woody » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:48 am

jj - i agree, minivan's rock! I've promised myself one one day....

K's are just as bad in rovers and at smaller capaity's generally. I have a mechanic friend who'd be somewhat poorer if it weren't for fixing K series HGF. I could go on, but there's definatly an isue in other apps as well.

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Post by mckeann » Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:18 pm

yeh, i'm just knocking the K co it failed on me 3 times in 1 year. and its not an isolated incident. but lets all group hug and say we want a mini. Just that i'll be buying the honda engined one :wink:


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