Super Lap Scotland - Sunday 26th May - Knockhill

[David]

Anybody know what a 57.5 sec lap anti clockwise would convert into clockwise?

tut

My experience is that it's is a little slower maybe a 1 second or more. Some of the top guys were saying it is much the same or maybe even a little quicker. Swings and round-a-bouts but I found traction on Duffus (steep hill) a problem and Railway Straight slower when going anticlockwise.

[TrackScotland]

The faster cars (higher powered, not drivers) were about 1 - 2 secs a lap slower, but the FWD cars seemed to be quicker in Reverse.

57.5 Anti-Clockwise - roughly 56sec Clockwise (normal)
57.5 Clockwise - roughly 58sec Anti-Clockwise (reverse)

Go Figure!

i think a lot will come down to seat time in the reverse direction. It has a big braking zone for the hairpin and a ballsy corner / entry for clarks. I find the rest (chicane/butchers/McIntyres and Duffus) flow better or at least felt quicker in reverse. I can see it being quicker eventually, but not yet... no one has done enough of it.

Tut - If you renew your Nat A (non Race) you'll be good to go for any class. Shoes - No idea Renny would be the one to ask about that.

[r10crw]

Tut I remember speaking to rennie (I think) at the last sidc and he mentioned a non n/a multiplier, worth checking?

[r10crw]

Just read through all these comments and a bit disapointed/shocked with some of the comments TBCH.

Does it really matter how good you are?. Main thing is having a go, and have some fun.

I think more of us could enter this and put our money where our mouth is

Alan

Agree mate but you have to remember we all think were better than an f1 driver. Do we even have a real racing driver on the forum?

[mckeann]

Just read through all these comments and a bit disapointed/shocked with some of the comments TBCH.

Does it really matter how good you are?. Main thing is having a go, and have some fun.

I think more of us could enter this and put our money where our mouth is

Alan

Agree mate but you have to remember we all think were better than an f1 driver. Do we even have a real racing driver on the forum?

My comments (that seem to have kicked all this off) were not that David isn't good/fast enough, far from it. My comments were purely to say stop blaming the cars lack of power over the results. As long as your having fun, I couldnt care less

[TrackScotland]

Tut I remember speaking to rennie (I think) at the last sidc and he mentioned a non n/a multiplier, worth checking?

?!

Power is power.... what does it matter if its 200bhp from a 1.4 Turbo or a NA 2.2?

Yes the delivery/torque may be different, but I think it'd prefer the NA to be honest

SLS does not use CC based classes like Hills/Sprints

[Gourlay83]

Just read through all these comments and a bit disapointed/shocked with some of the comments TBCH.

Does it really matter how good you are?. Main thing is having a go, and have some fun.

I think more of us could enter this and put our money where our mouth is

Alan

Agree mate but you have to remember we all think were better than an f1 driver. Do we even have a real racing driver on the forum?

Yeah, fair enough. Just heard a few comments getting thrown around (not about David BTW), and get a little frustrated. I'd imagine some are a little nervous about a timed lap, as the clock doesn't lie. So good on the people that are having a go, and posting up the times.

I'll be at the next one - missing apexes (whatever they are), on my own made up line and posting mediocre times.

Alan

[r10crw]

Alan, I expect nothing less than a 54 and a low one at that!

Neil I wouldn't stress mate, we have a real Mix of folks and opinions, its why we like the place.

Oh and totally agree about the power n/a forced induction thing just something I've probably picked up wrongly.

[r10crw]

Neil just re read and the racing driver thing and that wasn't aimed at you or anyone else for that matter just a genuine question.

[David]

Just read through all these comments and a bit disapointed/shocked with some of the comments TBCH.

Does it really matter how good you are?. Main thing is having a go, and have some fun.

I think more of us could enter this and put our money where our mouth is

Alan

Agree mate but you have to remember we all think were better than an f1 driver. Do we even have a real racing driver on the forum?

My comments (that seem to have kicked all this off) were not that David isn't good/fast enough, far from it. My comments were purely to say stop blaming the cars lack of power over the results. As long as your having fun, I couldnt care less

I think you read my post as and made the assumption it was an excuse for a poor result. It wasn't, I was actually very pleased with a podium for third in class and 8th fastest time of the day. And there were some pretty big names there too. So, yes, a lighter and less powerful car can compete with a heavier and more powerful car.

My post was just saying I don't think power-to-weight ratio is the fairest way to class cars and, with all other things being equal, more BHP is better than less weight at Knockhill (IMHO).

[tut]

There is a 1.4 adjustment somewhere along the line Craig, but not in my Class.

As Adam says, the Classes are purely based on power to weight ratio and tyres. If you are using list road tyres and are within the 100hp band, then how that power comes about is largely immaterial. The Scottish Sprint Championships are different, they are far more standard engine configuration orientated.

tut

[tut]

There is no ideal way to classify cars to give equality other than a tightly regulated single model series, or as equal as possible as in BTCC with handicap weighting.

In the SLS series a car could have 201hp or 299hp, but still be in the same Class.

tut

[Scotty C]

Just read through all these comments and a bit disapointed/shocked with some of the comments TBCH.

Does it really matter how good you are?. Main thing is having a go, and have some fun.

I think more of us could enter this and put our money where our mouth is

Alan

Agree mate but you have to remember we all think were better than an f1 driver. Do we even have a real racing driver on the forum?

Scott Robson - time attack class winner
Ape - lot class winner
Andy g - lot racer
Fd - single seater sprint and hill climber
Tut could have been Scottish champion
Ali c overall Scottish sprint champion
Alan Gourley class winner sprint champion
Erik class winner and single seater sprint and hill climber
I did a bit

[Scotty C]

Railway Straight slower when going anticlockwise.

Did you try a few different lines though there. Wide with a straighter braking zone or tight and trail brake in (harder in your car)

[Mike Scib]

Just read through all these comments and a bit disapointed/shocked with some of the comments TBCH.

Does it really matter how good you are?. Main thing is having a go, and have some fun.

I think more of us could enter this and put our money where our mouth is

Alan

Agree mate but you have to remember we all think were better than an f1 driver. Do we even have a real racing driver on the forum?

Scott Robson - time attack class winner
Ape - lot class winner
Andy g - lot racer
Fd - single seater sprint and hill climber
Tut could have been Scottish champion
Ali c overall Scottish sprint champion
Alan Gourley class winner sprint champion
Erik class winner and single seater sprint and hill climber
I did a bit

BigD - I know a short cut.