Independence SE Poll

[PhilA]

i feel ashamed in Scotland.
We had a vote, there was a clear winning choice.
People will not move on. the "We are the 45", Salmond not going to the service thats meant to bring people together, other commentators giving "bad day for Scotland with non-Scots bottling it" etc.
Not one SNP leader has come out and said - STOP, accept it, move on. At least none that ive heard.

Shameful.

Would it have been 45 if the goal posts hadn't been moved? If Cameron and Co hadn't done that I think people would have been more accepting of the result

aye, suppose there is unfinished business with the vows to be fufilled.
Im confident they will do the changes, and im actually thinking its great that there are moves to make the changes in the wider UK relationships too.

I guess these "45" Yes voters believe it wont happen, and I think they hope it wont happen so they have have their day.
So, the politicians all need to get Scotland together by implementing those vows.

Good point.

[campbell]

Which goalposts were moved?

[vet111s]

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/re ... ote-for-it

Then when it looked like they might lose

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-sco ... s-29213418

[Mikie711]

I do wonder how quickly some on here would have "moved on" had the result gone the other way.
It has been the major talking point/focus for many in Scotland for some considerable time and will take time for wounds to heal.
Did you really expect that it would all just stop the day after.

[robin]

Mike is right - I think some continuing discussion about it is completely reasonable - but name calling, etc., is no more acceptable now than it was before the vote (on SE and in general).

One of the good things that could come out of this is that the whole country remains interested in who governs and how. I think that will only happen if there is positive discussion (and less rhetoric). It is important to keep the discussion positive though, otherwise we all look like a bunch of football hooligans and people will soon tune out of the "debate".

Win or lose, the vote is gone and it is time to discuss what happens next. In that context it makes sense to try to extract more information from the vote, i.e. why people voted the way they did. it is a rare opportunity to "hear" from pretty much the whole electorate. Both the No vote and the Yes vote could easily be divided into two sub-votes - those voting for the obvious Yes/No and those wanting devo-max but having to compromise on one of the other two. Some of those that abstained may well have been unable to compromise. Some of the Yes/No vote will have been people voting against their hearts - perhaps because of a single issue, e.g. pension or currency fears or arrogance of the Westminster government.

To me, the closeness of the vote indicates to me that the majority would in fact have voted for a devo-max style option had it been on the ballot paper.


Meanwhile, Ed "Rubberband" Milliband confirms that he is unelectable ...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... iband-2015

All he now needs is a seance with this gentleman:

http://dermotrathbone.wordpress.com/201 ... th-morgan/

New Labour just doesn't do Socialism

Cheers,
Robin

[campbell]

Couldn't agree more about talking about it openly and without prejudice to help people move on.

The country's only on the first phase of The Change Curve...

http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newPPM_96.htm

[tut]

The First Minister appeared to blame elderly Scots, who were most hostile to leaving the UK, for holding back younger generations and argued that independence is inevitable after they die off.

Should have known that I was to blame, but a bit much killing me off.

tut

ps:- knowing the press it is taken out of context, but still amusing.

[Kelvin]

But today's young will be old (as some of us) by the next referendum in 20 years time and the oil will be less of a persuasive argument.

After watching that Tinof Salmond interview I'm even more glad that the No vote prevailed.

[j2 lot]

The General Election next year will be interesting, it looks like Labour may loose some of their heartland in Scotland and the SNP will make advances if their recent increase in membership is indicative of the mood, while the Tories will benefit from the Labour loss as Labour need the Scottish vote to gain power. So Conservatives perhaps maintain their leadership but they wil quite possibly need another coalition to do so. SNP & Conservative government ? - highly unlikely
And if the SNP do well will they maintain the momentum in the 2016 Council elections or will the referendum furore have died down a bit by then?
By my reckoning the other parties have it all to play for just now while the SNP can sit back ' with nothing to do' other than highlight the bickering and point out any failed promises.

[Rosssco]

The General Election next year will be interesting, it looks like Labour may loose some of their heartland in Scotland and the SNP will make advances if their recent increase in membership is indicative of the mood, while the Tories will benefit from the Labour loss as Labour need the Scottish vote to gain power. So Conservatives perhaps maintain their leadership but they wil quite possibly need another coalition to do so. SNP & Conservative government ? - highly unlikely
And if the SNP do well will they maintain the momentum in the 2016 Council elections or will the referendum furore have died down a bit by then?
By my reckoning the other parties have it all to play for just now while the SNP can sit back ' with nothing to do' other than highlight the bickering and point out any failed promises.

The SNP have banned themselves from ever formally forming any form of coalition with the Conservatives..

Ironically, those who hate the evil Tories in Scotland are most likely to assist in them getting into government again if they change to voting SNP en masse..

[PhilA]

The First Minister appeared to blame elderly Scots, who were most hostile to leaving the UK, for holding back younger generations and argued that independence is inevitable after they die off.

Should have known that I was to blame, but a bit much killing me off.

tut

ps:- knowing the press it is taken out of context, but still amusing.

Tut,
Ill let you decide for yourself how much its taken out of context - here is the transcript of the interview.
http://skynews.skypressoffice.co.uk/new ... ex-salmond
Salmond also saying there that basically independence doesnt need an indyref, it can be done by just declaring independence if high enough majority in ScotGov.

He isnt helping.

[tut]

Just remembered that I watched it, they were standing by a loch or river.

He is not a stupid man, so why does he not realise that statements such as "the Westminster gang start to renege on the solemn vows they made during the campaign." do him no favours at all.

Also "my policy is to abolish the House of Lords", where does he intend to get the power from to carry out that threat?

tut

[Scuffers]

and just how many of the house of lords are Scottish?

Considering our last PM was also Scottish (Brown) not really sure what the complaints are about?

[BiggestNizzy]

and just how many of the house of lords are Scottish?

Considering our last PM was also Scottish (Brown) not really sure what the complaints are about?

He was also a sh*t chancellor and PM. Someone's nationality is generally unimportant it's only the location of their mother when they popped out.

Is there any real justification for the house of lords? Other than giving your old mates from parliment a job except for a few that get the job because their great great grandfather picked the right side in some conflict.

I would like to say I voted yes because I belive it was the best thing for my family in the same way everyone who voted no did. So is it any suprise that those who lost out are a little upset by the result? before the election we had no voters threatening to leave if yes had won.

[Mikie711]

I doubt it will be 20 years till the next referendum.