Scottish Parliamentary Elections Sweepstake

[captain]

Great result in Aberdeenshire West.

I had a chat with Alexander Burnett last weekend, he's a switched-on guy.

[Rosssco]

As best as expected really: SNP (maginally) lose majority, Tory's in a strong second place.

[Corranga]

If I hear another SNP bod say "If it's the will of the people, we'll have another Referendum" I'm going to throw something heavy at my monitor.

No majority and only 46.5% of the vote = not the will of the people this month.

I wonder what evidence they will come up with next month...

[pete]

1. SNP 40%
2= Labour 22%
2= Tory 22%
4= LDs
4= Greens.

What do you mean my percentages are worthless in this complex list vote based system?

There is no mention of the Conservative Party on their election literature, just lots of mentions of Ruth...

Who's right? (Source bbc.co.uk) I overestimated the Green vote but this is just constituency.

Party %
SNP Scottish National Party 46.5
LAB Scottish Labour 22.6
CON Scottish Conservatives 22.0
LD Scottish Lib Dems 7.8
GRN Scottish Green Party 0.6
OTH OTHERS 0.5

[istoo]

Scottish Green supporter here, was happy to see them make gains.
Similar predictions, the next few years will be more interesting to see what happens to the Labour party, they did well in Wales and England elections but on a national and scottish stage are really floundering.

Waking up to a blue list MSP, so we will be burning those nasty immigrants, make the rich richer and burn effergies of Nicola Sturgeon

[istoo]

If I hear another SNP bod say "If it's the will of the people, we'll have another Referendum" I'm going to throw something heavy at my monitor.

I wonder what evidence they will come up with next month...

SNP have not called for a second referendum, nor was it part of their policy. The answer given which is what you are quoting is fair enough... if you want one then we will have one, which also means, if you don't, we won't. I would be throwing the monitor at the press for continually asking the question to incite something to report about.

[pete]

The whole thing is a ludicrous cult of personality. Voting Tory up here is like turkeys voting for Christmas, Tories just aren't interested in the Scotland at all - it's why SNP is doing so well (beyond the rabid element which every party has).

There's no interest in policies anymore, the Tories don't even mention their party on the election leaflet FFS just lots of pictures of Ruth grinning.
SLAB committed suicide during the independence referendum.
Lib Dems were sacrificed during the coalition.

Even on here it's all criticisms of how they look not what they say.


I despair.

[Rosssco]

If I hear another SNP bod say "If it's the will of the people, we'll have another Referendum" I'm going to throw something heavy at my monitor.

I wonder what evidence they will come up with next month...

SNP have not called for a second referendum, nor was it part of their policy. The answer given which is what you are quoting is fair enough... if you want one then we will have one, which also means, if you don't, we won't. I would be throwing the monitor at the press for continually asking the question to incite something to report about.

Given the results, and baring a Brexit, Indyref2 is potentially dead at least for the next 5 years, and potentially a generation

The SNP / Greens will (and have already started to) go on about a 'Yes majority', but in reality the combination of SNP / Greens equals a massive 26.2% of the electorate - not quite a mandate to propose a new indyref is it..

[Rosssco]

The whole thing is a ludicrous cult of personality. Voting Tory up here is like turkeys voting for Christmas, Tories just aren't interested in the Scotland at all - it's why SNP is doing so well (beyond the rabid element which every party has).

There's no interest in policies anymore, the Tories don't even mention their party on the election leaflet FFS just lots of pictures of Ruth grinning.
SLAB committed suicide during the independence referendum.
Lib Dems were sacrificed during the coalition.

Even on here it's all criticisms of how they look not what they say.


I despair.

And would the SNP have the same effectiveness with John Swinney in charge..? Unlikey

[pete]

The whole thing is a ludicrous cult of personality. Voting Tory up here is like turkeys voting for Christmas, Tories just aren't interested in the Scotland at all - it's why SNP is doing so well (beyond the rabid element which every party has).

There's no interest in policies anymore, the Tories don't even mention their party on the election leaflet FFS just lots of pictures of Ruth grinning.
SLAB committed suicide during the independence referendum.
Lib Dems were sacrificed during the coalition.

Even on here it's all criticisms of how they look not what they say.


I despair.

And would the SNP have the same effectiveness with John Swinney in charge..? Unlikey

But that's just supporting my position. I'm not pretending that one side is better than the other. They're all f_cking idiots.

Except me. I'm right clever.

[thinfourth]

The whole thing is a ludicrous cult of personality. Voting Tory up here is like turkeys voting for Christmas, Tories just aren't interested in the Scotland at all - it's why SNP is doing so well (beyond the rabid element which every party has).


I despair.

Bollocks

That is just your nat victim card coming to the fore

The Tory party has has policies directly aimed at helping Scotland

Go look at the rural fuel duty

You know northern Scotland gets 5p a litre off fuel duty

And they have given the oil industry a nice big fat tax break.

[Rosssco]

The whole thing is a ludicrous cult of personality. Voting Tory up here is like turkeys voting for Christmas, Tories just aren't interested in the Scotland at all - it's why SNP is doing so well (beyond the rabid element which every party has).

There's no interest in policies anymore, the Tories don't even mention their party on the election leaflet FFS just lots of pictures of Ruth grinning.
SLAB committed suicide during the independence referendum.
Lib Dems were sacrificed during the coalition.

Even on here it's all criticisms of how they look not what they say.


I despair.

And would the SNP have the same effectiveness with John Swinney in charge..? Unlikey

But that's just supporting my position. I'm not pretending that one side is better than the other. They're all f_cking idiots.

Except me. I'm right clever.

No I agree with your supposition Pete. I'm just saying its attributable to all parties. And that you're right clever..

[chrisdb]

Well it seems Haddington farmers market isn't a great barometer for East Lothian - Labour scraped it again.

[Corranga]

If I hear another SNP bod say "If it's the will of the people, we'll have another Referendum" I'm going to throw something heavy at my monitor.

I wonder what evidence they will come up with next month...

SNP have not called for a second referendum, nor was it part of their policy. The answer given which is what you are quoting is fair enough... if you want one then we will have one, which also means, if you don't, we won't. I would be throwing the monitor at the press for continually asking the question to incite something to report about.

The SNP didn't have a second referendum in their manifesto because anyone who doesn't know that Scottish Independence is very high / top of their list shouldn't even have the right to vote in Scotland! They also didn't

To say "if you want one then we will have one" is utter BS. Let's not have another referendum until we can actually win it this time.
To follow up with "if you don't, we won't"
Strange then that we are even having this conversation not long after 55% of the Scottish people, by the most democratic method, agreed that this once in a generation, once in a lifetime vote was a No. The SNP simply choose to ignore this and therefore ignore the will of the Scottish people.

The real answer to this conversation is simple. The SNP should stand up and do what they have sworn to do. They are the voice of the Scottish people, and they should be giving the answer the people gave them. The will of the Scottish people for this generation / lifetime was to remain part of the UK, and no further referendum should be held on the matter during this generation. This isn't a lottery. This is the question that currently divides our country into (nearly) half. It will continue to do so as long as our government choose to ignore the will of its people, and continue to act as if 18 September 2014 never happened..

Sorry for the rant.

Chris

[Dominic]

The SNP didn't have a second referendum in their manifesto because anyone who doesn't know that Scottish Independence is very high / top of their list shouldn't even have the right to vote in Scotland! They also didn't

To say "if you want one then we will have one" is utter BS. Let's not have another referendum until we can actually win it this time.
To follow up with "if you don't, we won't"
Strange then that we are even having this conversation not long after 55% of the Scottish people, by the most democratic method, agreed that this once in a generation, once in a lifetime vote was a No. The SNP simply choose to ignore this and therefore ignore the will of the Scottish people.

The real answer to this conversation is simple. The SNP should stand up and do what they have sworn to do. They are the voice of the Scottish people, and they should be giving the answer the people gave them. The will of the Scottish people for this generation / lifetime was to remain part of the UK, and no further referendum should be held on the matter during this generation. This isn't a lottery. This is the question that currently divides our country into (nearly) half. It will continue to do so as long as our government choose to ignore the will of its people, and continue to act as if 18 September 2014 never happened..

Sorry for the rant.

Chris

Agree. They also completely miss the point that the uncertainty generated by a referendum has a negative effect on business and property markets.