Glad you are OK (don't know you but read the reports with concern...). From what you describe that is dreadful behaviour by the cops.
Good luck in your recovery and the other nonsense.
Pete
Blaque
Only thing is - they won't call in the accident investigation folk though - they have two "witnessess" (the other cars involved) who will both say that they never straddled.
It's not a case of right & wrong these days - it's what's easier to "prove".
I had a mate sent down after he was attacked by a bloke with a knife - mystery witnessess appear and testified that it was my mate with the knife and not the other bloke. Weapon was never recovered and he was sent down for a few years!
Mac
It's not a case of right & wrong these days - it's what's easier to "prove".
I had a mate sent down after he was attacked by a bloke with a knife - mystery witnessess appear and testified that it was my mate with the knife and not the other bloke. Weapon was never recovered and he was sent down for a few years!
Mac
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mac wrote: I had a mate sent down after he was attacked by a bloke with a knife - mystery witnessess appear and testified that it was my mate with the knife and not the other bloke. Weapon was never recovered and he was sent down for a few years!
Mac
Things like that make me want to get the f@ck out of this country and live somewhere that actually respects right and wrong!2009 Mini Cooper, Midnight Black
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Most importantly in your defence will be the impartial evidence of the cyclist.
He was very animated at the scene but I'm sure he knows that the cars were 'squeezing' past in an unsafe place.
As a cyclist and biker I understand defensive road positioning and the behavoir, particularly toward cyclists of impatient drivers is unbelievable, I'm sure he'll be with you on that one.
Sadly the position the cars all came to rest made it difficult to assess the events leading to the incident, but your explanation makes plenty sense. Its getting the cops to understand and if it gets to that the PF.
All the best with your recovery and all the rest.
cheers
Malcolm
He was very animated at the scene but I'm sure he knows that the cars were 'squeezing' past in an unsafe place.
As a cyclist and biker I understand defensive road positioning and the behavoir, particularly toward cyclists of impatient drivers is unbelievable, I'm sure he'll be with you on that one.
Sadly the position the cars all came to rest made it difficult to assess the events leading to the incident, but your explanation makes plenty sense. Its getting the cops to understand and if it gets to that the PF.
All the best with your recovery and all the rest.
cheers
Malcolm
if evolution don't take care of it, redesign it
i also have cycled lots on the road and its unreal what some drivers do.
ive given plenty the eyeball as they overtake another car and come towards me on my side of the road. or overtake me on a corner - to find a car coming the other way and end up passing me by 2 inches.
cyclists are v acutely aware of the dangers and would see it in your favour.
ive given plenty the eyeball as they overtake another car and come towards me on my side of the road. or overtake me on a corner - to find a car coming the other way and end up passing me by 2 inches.
cyclists are v acutely aware of the dangers and would see it in your favour.
Phil
Ford Focus Sport
Ford Focus Sport
Good to hear your ok and on the mend mate. 
At the moment, I wouldn't assume the cyclist is going to be on your side. It's almost certain he won't have seen the cars behind him sitting in the middle of the road behind him.
Like someone said, have a chat with Greg and see if that helps with anything.
Phil, I wouldn't agree with that I'm afraid. A lot of cyclists seem to have no interest in protecting themselves and have no idea the danger they put themselves and other drivers in. Ony numerous occaisions I've blared the horn at cyclists riding 2 or 3 abreast or cycling up the middle of the road. The worst is the fcukers that go out at night without any lights or reflective clothing on, they're just asking to be knocked downPhilA wrote:cyclists are v acutely aware of the dangers
At the moment, I wouldn't assume the cyclist is going to be on your side. It's almost certain he won't have seen the cars behind him sitting in the middle of the road behind him.
Like someone said, have a chat with Greg and see if that helps with anything.
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I can't believe there is any doubt that this was not Stuarts fault tbh...PhilA wrote:i also have cycled lots on the road and its unreal what some drivers do.
ive given plenty the eyeball as they overtake another car and come towards me on my side of the road. or overtake me on a corner - to find a car coming the other way and end up passing me by 2 inches.
cyclists are v acutely aware of the dangers and would see it in your favour.
Just to put a different point of view across about cyclists though... I think they are a huge pain in the arse on the roads and often forget what it's like for drivers stuck behind them ...
In particular, I'm getting very annoyed at 2 guys who seem to think it's ok to cycle along the Blantyre Farm Road every night, 2 abreast, slowly whilst chatting away to each other.... unaware apparently of the 1/2 mile of traffic stuck behind them getting increasingly frustrated since it is dangerous to overtake on most of that road. It's only a matter of time before someone tries a stupid overtaking move and hits another Stu coming the other way just because they refuse to cycle in single file - which according to the highway code they should be doing on that road.
Then you have the cyclists who skim up your inside in traffic with mm to spare when you are going slower than them, but you have to give them a wide berth when you go past them further up the road.... and then you have to watch out for them diving out into your lane to get past parked cars without even glancing over their shoulder!! (happened several times on Gt Western Rd yesterday)...
Cyclists should be more considerate and aware of drivers imho, not just the other way round.
/2p
DDtB.
Grumpy and tired of work today faction.
u could say the same for motorcyclist who go up between lanes at traffic lights / dual carriageways.
when ur out cycling and u get passed by a lorry carrying logs - u get to know ur place! dont want to end up like the hedgehogs u often pass
as for cycling in the middle of ur lane, or 2 abreast - its easier and safer to talk side by side as ur not gonna turn round if someone cant hear u.
cars and meant to give u the complete lane, theres crappy potholes and ruts and drains on the road - so even a cyclist cycling on the near side of the road might swing out.
as with everything tho, theres always arseholes who do sh*t and give people bad names
when ur out cycling and u get passed by a lorry carrying logs - u get to know ur place! dont want to end up like the hedgehogs u often pass
as for cycling in the middle of ur lane, or 2 abreast - its easier and safer to talk side by side as ur not gonna turn round if someone cant hear u.
cars and meant to give u the complete lane, theres crappy potholes and ruts and drains on the road - so even a cyclist cycling on the near side of the road might swing out.
as with everything tho, theres always arseholes who do sh*t and give people bad names
Phil
Ford Focus Sport
Ford Focus Sport
just gone through last nights posts (nurse Linda made me go to bed just as it was all hotting up 
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The thing is, I don't think either car had any intention of passing, they were too far back from him. Maybe the cyclist was spoiling their view or something. So they decided to drive up the middle, could have potholes or standing water?
The cyclist was keen to give a statement. He new the paramedic from when he was knocked off his bike by a car, this might fall in my favour.
)The thing is, I don't think either car had any intention of passing, they were too far back from him. Maybe the cyclist was spoiling their view or something. So they decided to drive up the middle, could have potholes or standing water?
The cyclist was keen to give a statement. He new the paramedic from when he was knocked off his bike by a car, this might fall in my favour.
Dave,DDtB wrote:... I think they are a huge pain in the arse on the roads and often forget what it's like for drivers stuck behind them ...
Cyclists should be more considerate and aware of drivers imho, not just the other way round.
/2p
DDtB.
Grumpy and tired of work today faction.
Has your grumpyness and tired faction lead to an unbelievable amount of rubbish leaving your brain and led to it arriving at this post!
I am not trying to wind you up, and clearly others do feel the same as you, however it is worth pointing out here I am not going to rant about how cyclists are perfect road users, but the road is not just designed solely for cars, and should you actually choose to get yer airse on a bike and cycle on her majestys finest roads, you may just change your tune!
Dave, I only hope your day improves, and hope you don't have the mispleasure of having to cycle past any cyclists on the way home this evening!
Dave
Obviously can't tarnish all cyclists with the same brush . . . There are some excellent considerate cyclists out there, just like there are some excellent considerate drivers. There are also sh!t drivers and sh!t cyclists.
However, the difference is that with the sh!t cyclists, who blatantly break the law, they never get charged for it. They don't pay anything towards the roads they use. They don't have insurance to cover the cars they sometimes cycle into and damage.
It infuriates me when I see cyclists on the pavement, or with no lights, or with dark clothing AND no lights. They are breaking the law. But they never get fined for it. I've even seen the police on bikes in a pedestrian area (illegal!) who had the cheek to moan at some kids that were skateboarding in the same area. A bit hypocritical, eh?!
The majority of cyclists I see on the open country roads are very good. They are obviously used to it and strictly follow the highway code. I always give them a full cars width when I pass them and cut the revs a bit too, like I'd do for a horse. However, it tends to be the people that cycle to work each day during rush hour that don't have lights, cycle on pavements and cycle through red lights. They give the rest a bad name.
I think cyclists should at least have to have registrations and perhaps even insurance, the same way other vehicles do. If you want to claim they have the same right to be on the road as cars, then they should have to comply to the same rules as cars, and maybe even contribute some money (in the form of road tax) towards the cycle lanes, signposts, etc. that are put in place for them!
/rant over!
However, the difference is that with the sh!t cyclists, who blatantly break the law, they never get charged for it. They don't pay anything towards the roads they use. They don't have insurance to cover the cars they sometimes cycle into and damage.
It infuriates me when I see cyclists on the pavement, or with no lights, or with dark clothing AND no lights. They are breaking the law. But they never get fined for it. I've even seen the police on bikes in a pedestrian area (illegal!) who had the cheek to moan at some kids that were skateboarding in the same area. A bit hypocritical, eh?!
The majority of cyclists I see on the open country roads are very good. They are obviously used to it and strictly follow the highway code. I always give them a full cars width when I pass them and cut the revs a bit too, like I'd do for a horse. However, it tends to be the people that cycle to work each day during rush hour that don't have lights, cycle on pavements and cycle through red lights. They give the rest a bad name.
I think cyclists should at least have to have registrations and perhaps even insurance, the same way other vehicles do. If you want to claim they have the same right to be on the road as cars, then they should have to comply to the same rules as cars, and maybe even contribute some money (in the form of road tax) towards the cycle lanes, signposts, etc. that are put in place for them!
/rant over!
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2008 Elise S, Solar Yellow
2008 Elise S, Solar Yellow
I was knock off my bicycle twice last year, one commando roll across the bonnet of a lovely gold merc cl landing on my feet, no damage to bike nor myself, the other clipped off rolled into the road and punctured my groin, alongside my femeral artery, missing it thankfully, landing on the stem, 4 hours in A&E, back on my repaired bike in 2 weeks.
Both these incidents were caused by impatience, perhaps on both sides.
Merc decided he would pull across traffic to get to the middle of the road however he hadn't seen me, yellow top, halogen headlamp. In his defence I was travelling in line with the traffic around me matching their speed. Fair enough no damage to me or my bike but boy the repair to the side of his car, as I left my bike behind to roll across his bonnet.
Other occasion I filtered down the outside of slowing, almost stationary traffic, bloke decided he didn't want to wait in queue so did a U turn without looking, I bounced off his wing with my thigh and pinged over the bonnet. Again who's to blame? He went home without a care, I wasted a few hours in A&E and had to repair my bike.
As for motorbikes filtering traffic, if done at a sensible speed and in appropriate situation it equally should be safe. Remember loud exhausts are for our own protection
I respect that there are good and bad drivers, cyclists and bikers but if people would show a little respect to other road users and the rules of the road we would all get along just fine, be patient.
Oh and by the way red light jumping is ridiculous and the green man is for pedestrians.
Both these incidents were caused by impatience, perhaps on both sides.
Merc decided he would pull across traffic to get to the middle of the road however he hadn't seen me, yellow top, halogen headlamp. In his defence I was travelling in line with the traffic around me matching their speed. Fair enough no damage to me or my bike but boy the repair to the side of his car, as I left my bike behind to roll across his bonnet.
Other occasion I filtered down the outside of slowing, almost stationary traffic, bloke decided he didn't want to wait in queue so did a U turn without looking, I bounced off his wing with my thigh and pinged over the bonnet. Again who's to blame? He went home without a care, I wasted a few hours in A&E and had to repair my bike.
As for motorbikes filtering traffic, if done at a sensible speed and in appropriate situation it equally should be safe. Remember loud exhausts are for our own protection
I respect that there are good and bad drivers, cyclists and bikers but if people would show a little respect to other road users and the rules of the road we would all get along just fine, be patient.
Oh and by the way red light jumping is ridiculous and the green man is for pedestrians.
if evolution don't take care of it, redesign it