Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by tut » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:35 pm

Lazydonkey wrote:
tuscan_thunder wrote:I suspect there will be a bit of a backlash against Sky
Why?

BBC didnt want to pay for the rights. Bernie wanted as much money as possible. So it went to someone else.

Its Bernie and the BBC that have made this happen.

Like I said earlier I dont think it's the right move, and that's even with my mixed loyalties but you can't blame sky.
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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by David » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:36 pm

Corranga wrote:I sometimes wonder though, if some sort of advertising compromise can be made (usually when watching the beeb advertise it's own shows).
Couldn't we just have a single ad at the beginning/end of a show, generate a little income and allow the licence fee to remain the same (or drop by a token fiver or something) then have like "Top Gear - Presented by Toyota" but no other ads. I'm sure companies would pay a fair what for such exclusivity, and as a viewer, nothing would really change!
I suppose the ideal and the reality are never the same mind.

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If the BBC started sponsorship or advertising it would start to compete for advertising revenue within the commercial broadcasters. I suspect that under competitions laws the licence fee would then have to be shared amongst the broadcasters which may be counter productive. There has been a move away from commercial activities recently.
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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by PhilA » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:37 pm

yeah Scotty, but there is lots of footy on.
There are only 20 races a year, roughly, thats alot less bang for ur buck vs 20 games a weekend ;-)
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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by j2 lot » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:40 pm

Scotty C wrote: Are Sky really ripping you off or are your just not watching enough TV.
Both I have more than enough to watch on freeview and wanted to get HD but wasn't willing to pay Sky an extra £10 a month.

Our Sky box crashed on a daily basis !Every time you turned it on it had to be re-booted. Sky werent interested in fixing it and other than offering to sell me a new box they told me to turn it off and back on again -which we were doing anyway.

They only became interested when I said I was cancelling and offerd to send out an engineer to deal with it - too little too late :roll:
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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by GBOBM » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:41 pm

Not impressed.

Apparently highlights of each race will still show on the beeb though which I guess is something. Who thinks that the highlights shows are going to start getting longer and longer?

Just going to have to arrange a meet/run to a pub showing the F1 once a month.
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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by tuscan_thunder » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:53 pm

Lazydonkey wrote:
tuscan_thunder wrote:I suspect there will be a bit of a backlash against Sky
Why?

BBC didnt want to pay for the rights. Bernie wanted as much money as possible. So it went to someone else.

Its Bernie and the BBC that have made this happen.

Like i said earlier i dont think it's the right move, and that's even with my mixed loyalties but you can't blame sky.

Oh I agree, it's not Sky's fault at all - they're a (very profitable) business and have made a business decision.

But folk won't want to pay and, as such, I think, and from the comments on FB and Twitter etc, that folk will not buy the Sky package and watch the BBC highlights later in the day.

::edit:: I think 'backlash' was the wrong word. 'Boycott' of their F1 service might be more accurate.
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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by campbell » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:32 pm

Mikie711 wrote:I think that the fact that this thread has gone to 3 pages in such a short time gives some idea of the sentiment surrounding this decision.
:withstupid

And 5 at the time of reading.
Some Beeb mouthpiece wrote:With this new deal not only have we delivered significant savings
That's the long and short. There were rumblings months ago. Echo all the sentiments above, the BBC is a broadcasting and information service of great force, capability and quality, renowned the world over, but cannot dance in the full-on commercial world due to its makeup / governance. This is what has both made it great but forced it to compromise on what is a popular yet niche sports coverage, I'm afraid.

The highlights programmes will do me, and the kids, for now, and Lisa will be glad to reclaim me for a couple of extra hours every 2nd Sunday I guess :damnfunny

Bernie E is a smart guy and has no regard for his countrymen in his business dealings, he won't let sentiment for UK get in the way of the best deal for his empire. Look at the smash over Silverstone then Donnie etc etc. Good luck in Bavaria, Bernie, you little fecker, I hope you get all you deserve and more.

Will be enlightening to hear what Jake, Eddie (especially!), DC and Brundle all have to say on this. Although they might be a bit muzzled at the mo I suppose.

Time to get back to the BTCC then, or club racing at KH ;-)

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Post by campbell » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:33 pm

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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by jason » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:49 pm

A few angry fingers here seem to be pointing at the Beeb. How is it their fault?

Bernie is driven by one thing and one thing only... money (stating the bleeding obvious, sorry). He has a conflict of interest if/when he states teams' revenue is important to him - it isn't really, other than their ability to provide him a product to sell - I almost believe he would have it off the screens completely if some Russian oligarch paid billions for personal coverage in his living room only.

Even if the Beeb had continued with their current contract, this would have happened in a couple years time anyway since they, rightfully for them, refuse to be held to ransom.

Not only has the licence fee been frozen, for reasons that still escape me, but the Olympics must be going to burn an enormous hole - though I have no idea how much money the host broadcaster receives from all the other nations, perhaps there's a profit there? I hope the Beeb never goes commercial - it would spell the end for a lot of the schedule content that makes it so unique and wonderful.

Bernie and those he answers to are 100% responsible. Grrrr. Etc.




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Post by Scotty C » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:51 pm

no just bring the beers & bombay sapphire and i will make the popcorn :thumbsup
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Post by GBOBM » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:56 pm

Scotty C wrote:no just bring the beers & bombay sapphire and i will make the popcorn :thumbsup
This is where working for a brewery getting lots of free beer might be an advantage! :thumbsup
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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by Shug » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:57 pm

jasonliddell wrote:A few angry fingers here seem to be pointing at the Beeb. How is it their fault?

Bernie is driven by one thing and one thing only... money (stating the bleeding obvious, sorry). He has a conflict of interest if/when he states teams' revenue is important to him - it isn't really, other than their ability to provide him a product to sell - I almost believe he would have it off the screens completely if some Russian oligarch paid billions for personal coverage in his living room only.

Even if the Beeb had continued with their current contract, this would have happened in a couple years time anyway since they, rightfully for them, refuse to be held to ransom.

Not only has the licence fee been frozen, for reasons that still escape me, but the Olympics must be going to burn an enormous hole - though I have no idea how much money the host broadcaster receives from all the other nations, perhaps there's a profit there? I hope the Beeb never goes commercial - it would spell the end for a lot of the schedule content that makes it so unique and wonderful.

Bernie and those he answers to are 100% responsible. Grrrr. Etc.




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Post by campbell » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:04 pm

As ever Joe Saward has some reasonable commentary going on and even some of the blog comments are worth reading.

Latest item here, earlier posts from him are also worth looking at especially for comments...

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/07/ ... csky-deal/

I am really not sure where this is going to get Sky, because it's unlikely they'll get many new sign-ups for their service from brand new customers, and at a few quid a month for upgrades from existing subscribers, that's not going to amount to much surely? Presumably they will try to use this to leverage stronger advertising revenues from their commercial customers, and I guess that's where the profit lies.

But I smell something. In the same was as Bernie put a rocket up Silverstone by stating categorically that the Brit GP was going to Donnie...then a year or so later, having let Donnie drown in their own faeces of a redevelopment programme he blithely awarded it back to a pawing and pandering Silverstone, I wonder if Sky is cannon fodder to end up with another provider - Beeb presumably - coming crawling back in a couple of years.

Sorry for conspiracy angle but I simply do not trust a word that Bernie utters, and the non-interview with Jake ref the bribery nonsense last weekend said a lot in the sense that Bernie had very little indeed to say.

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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by jason » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:26 pm

Apols if the Concorde Agreement has already been mentioned in this thread... this move by Bernie could well be in breach of that agreement, since it includes guarantees for F1 being on free-to-air TV.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93455

I've already had thoughts similar to Campbell's, that Bernie is trying to manipulate the whole business in his usual slippery style. An Ecclestone versus Murdoch celeb death-match would be an entertaining watch!

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Post by campbell » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:28 pm

jasonliddell wrote:An Ecclestone versus Murdoch celeb death-match would be an entertaining watch!
Now for THAT, I might just take out a Sky sub for a month :damnfunny
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