Tale of Woe...SLS

[robin]

Robin, I have given no views or stirred anything up regarding this matter, I was only querying a style of moderation, and quite clearly was happy with the response, thanks all the same

It appeared to me that you chose two quotes that would, if read in the context you posted them, highlight an inconsistency in moderation (not that moderation has to be consistent, BTW, we're only human). That inconsistency would have been resolved by the very next line in my post that you chose not to quote, and then more elaborately by Campbell.

It's not clear to me what confused you in the first place (the smiley indicates confusion as far as I know) and what extra piece of information you were then provided that allowed you to resolve that confusion.

Cheers,
Robin

[rossybee]

I'm not confused, just very tired

[pete]

Curious to know if in law it is the people who moderate a web page who are responsible, or those who post??? The police arrested some guy this week for tweeting nasty things about diver Tom Daley - they didn't arrest anyone from Twitter.

Sorry for the drift, but WTF, he said to Tom "you let the country and your dead dad down" - that warrants an arrest. Chav scum in Aberdeen steal cars and post about it on FB warrants nothing (as of yet). Strange times we live in.

He actually posted a death threat. That's what he was nicked for. Being nasty isn't a crime (yet).

[tut]

As usual the press got it wrong. The report was that he said Daley had let his father down by not winning a medal, which is all anybody had to go on, and to be arrested for that is ludicrous.

Anything else that was defamatory was not reported, but then it would have not been as sensational, so why bother giving the whole story.

tut

[andyc]

Edited: legal help might be the best option for getting your car back from the nice paint shop looking after it for you

[mwmackenzie]

Editied by Robin seeing as how OP edited his post

I don't think that's in the least bit helpful here! Threats of violence to a business owner who has a car in his care which he is still pending payment for is not at all on! From what I've read and I assure you I know no more about this than what the OP states, the bodyshop has not been paid for a job that they have done, how is threatening behaviour going to remedy that? Most garages due any decent amount of cash for work carried out on a car would do the same! The issue here is that SLS have not paid for the repair and as such the issue should be with SLS and not a third party who has just done a repair to a vehicle and not been paid...

I find your post out of order Andy!

2p

[r055]

What a mess.

[andyc]

Ok....maybe a bit over the top but really bad show for the car owner being left in limbo....ps....I did not suggest that violence should actually be used!

[mwmackenzie]

Ok....maybe a bit over the top but really bad show for the car owner being left in limbo....ps....I did not suggest that violence should actually be used!

As much as I feel for the owner and would personally hate to be in that situation myself, the third party in this (the bodyshop) which has not been paid is acting how most businesses would, the goods are generally held until payment is made, why would you take a couple of big guys with you to take a car off someone if physical violence wasn't the threat? You'd not take some big guys to Asda fill a trolley and walk out telling security someone else will be along to pay at a later date, if the world worked that way, I'd be very rich and have everything i wanted! .. I know from the owners pov it's not entirely the the same as he owns the car but the work has not been paid for and that rest with Ali at SLS to sort out. This is between the owner and SLS respectively SLS and the bodyshop who simply fixed a car as requested and in doing so has bought repair materials, paint and sundries and put however many hours into the repair and not been paid...

[andyc]

Having a couple of big chums with you would hopefully stop any trouble.

Anyway....no point in you and I bickering over hypothetical nonsense as that won't resolve the issue for the poor owner!
I'm sure all will get resolved in the end but sure isn't doing SLS any favours as a customer focused business.
Righto.....I'm bowing out of this thread now thanks.

[Daveb]

Pay the body shop, get the car back, chase money from SLS.

[jason]

The car is not the property/an asset of SLS, which I'd rightly or wrongly assumed would be a requirement for them to legally hold the car against non-payment by SLS?

Like Ross said, what a mess Just hope it's all sorted for you soon, Ian.

[skellyjohn]

Tuppence worth....

The paintshop can't hold on to the car. The dispute is between paintshop and SLS.

I'm afraid if I was in the same position, I'd be just as upset with the paint shop and SLS but I wouldn't accept my car being held to ransom. I'd be tempted to call the paintshop and say that your reporting the car as stolen.

[H8OAG]

Tuppence worth....

The paintshop can't hold on to the car. The dispute is between paintshop and SLS.

I'm afraid if I was in the same position, I'd be just as upset with the paint shop and SLS but I wouldn't accept my car being held to ransom. I'd be tempted to call the paintshop and say that your reporting the car as stolen.

The paint shop can!

This is what's known under dispute resolution as a lien

A garage that has repaired your car has what is known as a 'lien'. This is the right to keep the car until payment has been made for the work done.

If you remove your car from the garage without authorisation you risk not only civil proceedings but maybe criminal prosecution

Possible options open to you..... apart from legal proceedings or leaving your car while any dispute is sorted out, is to pay the amount demanded, marking the invoice that you are paying under protest as you urgently require to use the car

Maybe our resident legal eagles can advise further ?

[RDH]

Tuppence worth....

The paintshop can't hold on to the car. The dispute is between paintshop and SLS.

I'm afraid if I was in the same position, I'd be just as upset with the paint shop and SLS but I wouldn't accept my car being held to ransom. I'd be tempted to call the paintshop and say that your reporting the car as stolen.

The paint shop can!

This is what's known under dispute resolution as a lien

A garage that has repaired your car has what is known as a 'lien'. This is the right to keep the car until payment has been made for the work done.

If you remove your car from the garage without authorisation you risk not only civil proceedings but maybe criminal prosecution

Possible options open to you..... apart from legal proceedings or leaving your car while any dispute is sorted out, is to pay the amount demanded, marking the invoice as 'paid under protest'.

Maybe our resident legal eagles can advise further ?

I'm not sure the right of lien can be passed on to a third party, can it? My law degree is now about 15 years out of date, so I may be wrong.
If the op has passed the car to the body shop I'd agree, but as it was SLS that arranged the repair, surely the owner should suffer.

Let's see what the legal eagles say!