Trump

[tut]

Well we got Brexit wrong and we got Trump wrong, so I now predict that he will turn out to be a great President and the Yanks will come to love him.

tut

[c8rkh]

Will Sturgeon now give him back the "Scottish Business Ambassador" role she stripped him of? Did not the SNP also try to ban him from entering the UK? Ooooops!

I bet her face slumped over her breakfast porridge watching the result was an absolutely peachy picture of charm and serenity. Another own goal from the loud mouth.....

[Rosssco]

Trump is just another example of the resurgence in the concept of Nationalism that's been on the march globally for a number of years now..

I think many thought after WW2 and the fall of communism, that 'Western' countries had gotten past this, and despite attempts to prevent such a resurgence by construction of supra-national organisations (e.g. the EU, NATO etc.) that were to bind us together, it appears its always been bubbling under the surface.

Canny politicians who want power or to progress their own political agenda at the expense potential longer term stability (e.g. Trump, Brexiteers, Salmond) are cashing in the negative aspects of globalisation, and using it as an excuse to re-draw national prerogatives with focus on mostly out-dated concepts of national boundaries or 'flags'..

It's not looking good IMO. The age of political compromise is gone.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37935120

[c8rkh]

So @Rosssco it has nothing to do with the seemingly corrupt nature of said organisations and how they seem to spend more effort on feathering their nests than on delivery value, stability and growth for the wider good?

The EU is NOT what it was when most people voted to join it, it has morphed into something much more. The UN is largely ineffective these days and increasingly impotent. These large organisations are not delivering

[Rosssco]

So @Rosssco it has nothing to do with the seemingly corrupt nature of said organisations and how they seem to spend more effort on feathering their nests than on delivery value, stability and growth for the wider good?

The EU is NOT what it was when most people voted to join it, it has morphed into something much more. The UN is largely ineffective these days and increasingly impotent. These large organisations are not delivering

I don't disagree with your points regarding the corruption and But then the implication is that such organisations are 'perfect' and will rise above natural human instincts of power / control. They doesn't mean they must necessarily be smashed up, but reformed where possible.

However, my point was more to do with the fact that the problems associated with these constructs are not being solved by collaborative means, but instead high-jacked by nationalists who will happily blame the majority of ill's elsewhere, in order to gain votes / power. There's nothing wrong with having an alternative plan or approach, but most if not all of those proposing these things are riding on a wave of hopefulness, rather than a water-tight plan to actually improve things.

As my note above, the commonality in all of them is that they promise so much but don't actually have a plan to deliver..

[c8rkh]

I agree with the promise of much and no plan to deliver statement. It is hard to argue against that whether we talk about Indyref, Brexit, etc.

However, what we also do not have from within is a plan to deliver the required change. Indeed, you could argue that devolution is delivering increasing levels of self determination in the UK's regions. Just actually what the regions are positively ding with the devolved powers to drive positive change is maybe another question in itself.

But let's also look at Brexit. There is a wide spread acceptance that the EU, in its current form is broken. So where is the plan, from within the EU, to drive the change that will deliver the better future? I think a strong argument could be made that Brexit is a potential catalyst for change. A wake up call to the EU to reform. However, instead, what we are seeing is the further retreat of the political elite into their cosy well endowed and well stocked bunkers and a firmer resolve to resist the call to change, but instead to increase control and restrict change.

I'm not one to talk idly about a revolution. But i think what we are seeing is the rise of a movement where some people, who are not afraid of change, or of taking a punt on the future, are having the resolve to come forward and be heard. The backlash is actually coming, in the shape of Brexit and the US election, from the people who are afraid of change and unsurprisingly the many arseholes who now realise that by not getting off the arses to vote against change, they have let it in through the back door.

Interesting times.

[Scuffers]

my 2d's worth...

I'll come right out and say up front, it's the best thing that could have happened for the whole of the western world.

Yes, a bold claim, but just step back and think about it for a minute.

He's not even president yet but has already achieved a lot, ie. the death of TTIP, the Greens/hard left have been trying for months/years, yet he's effectively killed it in 2 days (and he's not even in office yet!), not that the Greens or lefties will credit him for it.

Then we get to the current media meltdown, hell, he have so called journalists calling for him to be assassinated.



Guess which paper she works for?

Yes, the Guardian, that bastion of the liberal left wonks.

we have had nothing from the media other that to label him as:

Racist
Misogynistic
Xenophobic
Islamophobic

all without a shred of evidence other than secret recordings of casual conversation decades old.

we then get treated to wave after wave of professional victims rolled out by the media telling us that it's hateful racism and that the Democrats lost because of a white lash against Obarmy, nothing to do with his 8 years in the Oval office being a total disaster both domestically for the US and worldwide causing the rise of IS and the descent of Syria into a war zone, and that's before we talk about Iran!

The Dem candidate is a crook, pure and simple, bought and paid for by the goldman sachs of this world along with almost every arab state, all dressed up as the clinton foundation, the only beneficiaries being the clintons.

She has broken many laws yet seems to be untouchable, whilst all around here end up taking the wrap, but best of all, having called Trump a racist and tried to claim he's an bed with the KKK we should remember this:



Yes, that's the one, the KKK donating to the Clinton Campaign.

We now have Soros paying people to riot in the states against the results (adverts on Craigslist recruiting paid rioters), whilst the universities are offering counseling to the poor petals that can't handle the result of the election.

I know it's a cheap campaign slogan, but the one that will be the hardest to achieve will be "Drain The Swamp", but it's also the one that should be the highest priority.

A guest on a US show last week made the point that if all the politicians had to wear white race overalls with their donors names emblazoned on them, at least we would know who was talking.

IMHO, Trumps first act as President would be to visit Putin and start a meaningful dialogue, and as a deal sweetener, deliver Soros to him (Russia have an international arrest warrant out for him).

I await the howls of how wrong and deluded I am!

[tut]

Scuffers for Prime Minister !!!!!!!!!!!

tut

ps:- I was hoping The Donald would win as it will make much better TV viewing and it is going to be interesting to see which of his policies he will try and put in place. As for "finger on the button", two of the most unlikely billionaires in the World that are going to commit suicide are Putin and Trump. Can not think of a better deterrent.

Clinton had the same effect on me as Corbyn, reach for the remote to change channel.

[campbell]

Fair play Simon.

Let's see if the actions speak as loud as the words. Exciting year or two ahead.

[c8rkh]

Scuffers for Prime Minister !!!!!!!!!!!

tut

ps:- I was hoping The Donald would win as it will make much better TV viewing and it is going to be interesting to see which of his policies he will try and put in place. As for "finger on the button", two of the most unlikely billionaires in the World that are going to commit suicide are Putin and Trump. Can not think of a better deterrent.

Clinton had the same effect on me as Corbyn, reach for the remote to change channel.

Hallelujah. Amen. Wise words. Totally agree.
I think a lot of people might be ashamed of their comments in 5 years when we see what actually happens. ~Keep calm, have a cup of tea, then go out for a drive. Lovely out there today in Perthshire, just back from a blast...

[Scuffers]

Just to put some history to this, tripped over this video on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM

I knew he had been asked about it before, but never realised just how far back.

[BiggestNizzy]

Watch on YouTube

[ScottJ-PS]

Well lets give him a chance and democracy can take its course, he can't do any worse than what we have had in the White House and no. 10 over the past 25 years.

Personally I'd vote for anyone who would put that wee sh*t Sturgeon back into her shoebox, and after her comments over past months she has an awefull lot of apple/humble pie to eat .

[BiggestNizzy]

Personally I'd vote for anyone who would put that wee sh*t Sturgeon back into her shoebox

Give her a chance, is she any worse than what we have had previously

[c8rkh]

She's had her chance as Deputy First Minister and now as First Minister. If only she would stop the sound bites and shouting about EVERYTHING that is not within her power, and focused on what WAS within her power, we might actually see a fairer, stronger, more prosperous Scotland. I know, I'm delusional.......

I had to laugh though, Trump phones May to say Hi and come on over. So Sturgeon writes a letter to Trump "Sorry for attacking you, calling you all those names, trying to ban you from coming to the UK and stripping you of your Scottish Business Ambassador role. Please please please can we still be friends?"

Lol - maybe, just maybe, she will learn to stop shouting about everything before thinking it through? She is Scotland's First Minister. She is not the UK's First Minister and she has control over devolved powers only. The SNP ministers in Westminster, not Holyrood, legislate and represent the UK. I wonder if she realises that?