Scotland's Electricity base load from 2030

[campbell]

Whose energy policy is it? The government's? Who formed the government? The SNP. I'd be blaming the government for such a policy whomever they were. This isn't personal on the SNP or Ms Sturgeon.

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[campbell]

Anyway Neil says buy generators. Sorted.

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[RDH]

Anyway Neil says buy generators. Sorted.

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I'll get you a good deal on a diesel back up generator, what power do you want?


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[Dominic]

So for the electric car owners, they can get a deisel generator, to belch out fumes to make electricity to run their eco cars.... (a bit like we do now, but using power stations instead). So to save on the whole EV range anxiety thing, they could take the genny with them. In fact, to save carrying all those batteries, they could just get a bigger genny and use it to power the car directly... Ah....

[campbell]

Lol Dom.

Rob - couple a giga watt should cover it?

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[BiggestNizzy]

Whose energy policy is it? The government's? Who formed the government? The SNP. I'd be blaming the government for such a policy whomever they were. This isn't personal on the SNP or Ms Sturgeon.

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Not that I trust or like any politician just noticing that this place has turned into a wee hate the Scottish government club.

Old uk power stations have been getting shut due to an EU directive. Cant remember which one. Generators have been reluctant to replace them as they have no idea what they will make. The increase in renewable energy has made this worse as they're generating capacity varies. This coupled with successive governments back healing decisions on nuclear or fossil fuel plants as it would be unpopular with the green brigade(not the Celtic fans) we find ourselves in a bit of a problem as we are running out of capacity. To get new nuclear plants we have had to promise a massive price and that will hurt everyone. Consumer and business the steel industry is taking a bit hit already as they use a lot of power.

Anyone know when we last built a power station?

[campbell]

I don't hate our government by any means. Nothing I said should construe that.

I firmly disagree with some things they are doing / have done. That's all really.

[Dominic]

Anyone know when we last built a power station?

Therein lies the problem. The windmills don't count as they are useless.

Have to confess, while hate is a strong word, I have a very string dislike of our current Scottish "Government".

[pete]

Anyone know when we last built a power station?

Therein lies the problem. The windmills don't count as they are useless.

Have to confess, while hate is a strong word, I have a very string dislike of our current Scottish "Government".

In what way are they useless?

There's no magic bullet to fix energy problems - for example nuclear is very expensive with huge lead times and burning carbon causes climate change*.

I don't see how renewables don't form an important part of the solution.

It is true that if everyone switches to electric cars we are going to need to make a lot more electricity, but they are far more efficient overall...


(*the belief that climate change isn't an issue is alongside anti-vaxers, fake moon landers and the idea the US govt blew up the World Trade Centre. ).

[Dominic]

Anyone know when we last built a power station?

Therein lies the problem. The windmills don't count as they are useless.

Have to confess, while hate is a strong word, I have a very string dislike of our current Scottish "Government".

In what way are they useless?

There's no magic bullet to fix energy problems - for example nuclear is very expensive with huge lead times and burning carbon causes climate change*.

I don't see how renewables don't form an important part of the solution.

It is true that if everyone switches to electric cars we are going to need to make a lot more electricity, but they are far more efficient overall...


(*the belief that climate change isn't an issue is alongside anti-vaxers, fake moon landers and the idea the US govt blew up the World Trade Centre.).

None of the tree huggers ever stop to consider that a windmill requires more energy to manufacture and install than it will produce in it's lifetime. IMHO that deems it useless. No one in their right mind would say "I am going to start a business that will only ever turnover £1M, but will cost £2M to start up".

Just my 2p from listening to engineers involved in building the things.

[j2 lot]

i still don't indeerstand why all new houses aren't built with solar panels as standard as they apparently cost next to nothing to manufacture these days and although they're never going to take a house off grid they will reduce consumption on all but the very worst of winter days.

[thinfourth]

Have to confess, while hate is a strong word, I have a very string dislike of our current Scottish "Government".

In what way are they useless?

As every single decision they make is built on the bedrock of how can we blame the english and get independence means they cannot make normal decisions

It is true that if everyone switches to electric cars we are going to need to make a lot more electricity, but they are far more efficient overall...

Yes we will need to make more electricty to charge EVs

No we won't need more power generation capacity to charge EVs

As they most owners charge overnight when demand is lowest. So while a gas powered plant is at idle currently if we magically put a few million EVs on the road then it would no longer be at idle overnight

And if they get the tech working where your car can feed power back into the grid then they will help not hinder. Your car could charge up to 100% overnight and then dump 10% back into the grid while you are making your toast. Your average daily milage in the UK is 40 miles which only needs about 50% of the battery anyway.

So EVs are not a huge problem for the grid

Potentially they could help

Battery development brings cheaper and better batteries which could be used for energy storage. The real problem with windmills isn't making electricity it is storing the electricity.

[thinfourth]

Diesel generators aren't that expensive and can be run on red diesel. I'll be investing in one before we start getting the blackouts

I am having a serious look at one

But done my way

stick 100% heat energy into an diesel engine and 40% comes out as power

60% pisses off into the environment as heat

I plan on plumbing the cooling circuit into a heat store. Then run the genny to power the house and heat the house

Just need to get round to it

[pete]

i still don't indeerstand why all new houses aren't built with solar panels as standard as they apparently cost next to nothing to manufacture these days and although they're never going to take a house off grid they will reduce consumption on all but the very worst of winter days.

Nor me. Seems like a no brainer.

[pete]

Yes we will need to make more electricty to charge EVs

No we won't need more power generation capacity to charge EVs

As they most owners charge overnight when demand is lowest. So while a gas powered plant is at idle currently if we magically put a few million EVs on the road then it would no longer be at idle overnight

And if they get the tech working where your car can feed power back into the grid then they will help not hinder. Your car could charge up to 100% overnight and then dump 10% back into the grid while you are making your toast. Your average daily milage in the UK is 40 miles which only needs about 50% of the battery anyway.

So EVs are not a huge problem for the grid

Potentially they could help

Battery development brings cheaper and better batteries which could be used for energy storage. The real problem with windmills isn't making electricity it is storing the electricity.

I hadn't thought of that.