Multi fuel stove

[renmure]

We have a 14kW stove in the games room, 13m x 6m x 2.5m

Looks great in the room but it can be oppressively hot. Been occasions in winter where me, Wendy and the dogs have opened the patio doors and been sitting with our heads out in the snow to get some relief from it.

[Gooldie]

My initial though is yes that is too big, as a rough guide divide the cubic meters by 14 and that is enough to heat the entire room (and then sum) renmure is a perfect example his works out at about 13.8 BUT a 14kw stove is sometimes too big.

Also you must consider where you are going to be sitting in relation to the stove. Sitting in front or near a 10kw stove is almost impossible unless you enjoy sitting around in your pants?!?

I can completely understand why you want a studio 3, it' certainly has the wow factor, but not much point if it is too hot to use or you just have a tiny fire on it.

We use the studio2 to heat a large section of showroom and it is seriously hot. If you want I can PM you my number if you want to run anything else by me or advice.

[robin]

Tut,

Is the burner designed to burn unseasoned wood? If not burning pallets and other such crap might cause you problems in the not too distant future - you get a lot of "tar" coming out of unseasoned wood and this gums up the burner.

Of course if there's nothing to gum up, or it has some kind of lining designed to cope with the tar, then it'll be fine.

Cheers,
Robin

[Titanium S1 111S (gla)]

Quick question, how difficult would it be for me to integrate a stove into my existing circulatory and radiator system? I have recently upgraded the system to a big combi so I would not be going down the route of an accumulator I just want to push hot water from the stove around the radiators.

I know next to nothing about this but is there a reason not to plumb the stove into the existing system with a pump to push it around. I would have thought that you would want to isolate the boiler when using the stove but this could be achieved by wiring an electrically actuated valve in with the pump i.e. by switching on the pump you close the valve and isolate the boiler. It may be that you would want to put a thermo couple into the system so that that all happens automatically when the stove gets up to the appropriate temperature.

The more I think about it the more possible it sounds, does anybody have any experience.

[Scotty C]

Big thanks to Euan for his advice today. Although it would be nice to see Lindsay walking about with nothing on a bit more often I have decided to down grade the size of my stove .

Will post pics once it's installed.

Cheers

[bertieduff]

Post up some pics of the stove as well, pervert...!

[tut]

Big thanks to Euan for his advice today. Although it would be nice to see Lindsay walking about with nothing on a bit more often I have decided to down grade the size of my stove .

Will post pics once it's installed.

Cheers

Don't worry Scotty, I can describe the sight to you.



tut

[tut]

The stove should only be used with seasoned wood Robin, but the pallets, doors, fence posts etc have been in the wood shed for years, so well under 20% moisture. I have a meter so able to check it.

I am still in experimental mode, but this week I have had a tonne of Surefire Ovoids delivered from my local Merchant at £340, a tonne of peat at £99, and 3m³ seasoned logs at £75, again locally. Silly price of logs on line, £135 for 1m³, so as I like to buy locally it has worked out well.

Keeping a log now of usage over time, so it will give an accurate cost against running on oil. Four refills of 3,000 litres/year at 63p/litre equals £7.5K, so it will be a pretty one sided contest. Stove is now on 24 hours/day, all the fuels produce ash only so no clinker inside to clear out, needs a top up during the night but Khan wakes me up around 0300 for a pee, or I wake him up for one when I have to kick him off the bed.

tut

[tut]

My initial thought is yes that is too big, as a rough guide divide the cubic meters by 14 and that is enough to heat the entire room (and then sum) renmure is a perfect example his works out at about 13.8 BUT a 14kw stove is sometimes too big.

Mine works out at 73 in the lounge Euan, but 30Kw was as large as I could get, though that is heating the radiators as well, whereas I presume that your formula is for direct heat only, so at present with the fire and two of the five radiators on, it is warmer than the house has ever been. When we hit 0°C and turn the other radiators on and really fire the stove up, I am pretty hopeful that I may be able to get away without using the oil boiler at all. At present I have the air supply almost closed off. Just put the first load of Surefire on and the heat output is something else, just hope that it is a well made stove even though it is made in Britain.

The Neutraliser that was installed is the real bonus, makes it so easy to combine all the heat sources together and them farm then out as required.

tut

[Sanjøy]

73kw or year of age Tut?!

Keeping the house toasty at the mo for the wee one and using just over a basked of a mix of soft and hard wood a day. Not pushing it to the full 11kw.

Christ knows how much wood 73kw would chew at fill tilt!

Scotty I am sure your neighbours will be happy with your decision too. For when the Mrs is away.

[bertieduff]

Don't forget to factor in trailer, chansaw(s), log splitter, PPE and Landy

Aye, once you factor in that stuff, plus installation costs, protective gear and time spent, wood-burners ain't quite the bargain they first seem...but still, no regrets, as there's few things more satisfying than sitting in front of a roaring fire once the weather turns bad: beats the telly, most nights!

Personal tips:

1). A good contact with the local council/forestry/tree surgeons will pay dividends as to where where there's free supplies,
2). Local builders often have timber skips that they pay to have emptied...

My best buy so far, in terms of efficiency, has been one of these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Handy-Horse ... B005N8MUN4

(although sometimes you can't the old-skool method:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZKOE6QCXBg

All of which warm the cockles...

[thinfourth]

Don't forget to factor in trailer, chansaw(s), log splitter, PPE and Landy

Aye, once you factor in that stuff, plus installation costs, protective gear and time spent, wood-burners ain't quite the bargain they first seem...but still, no regrets, as there's few things more satisfying than sitting in front of a roaring fire once the weather turns bad: beats the telly, most nights!

Personal tips:

1). A good contact with the local council/forestry/tree surgeons will pay dividends as to where where there's free supplies,
2). Local builders often have timber skips that they pay to have emptied...

My best buy so far, in terms of efficiency, has been one of these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Handy-Horse ... B005N8MUN4
/quote]

In a similar line i use one of these

http://www.chainsaw-shop.co.uk/heavy-du ... 006-111711

And it is excellent

Also this one looks intresting
http://www.raasayengineering.co.uk/loggit.html

[thinfourth]

Don't forget to factor in trailer, chansaw(s), log splitter, PPE and Landy

Aye, once you factor in that stuff, plus installation costs, protective gear and time spent, wood-burners ain't quite the bargain they first seem...but still, no regrets, as there's few things more satisfying than sitting in front of a roaring fire once the weather turns bad: beats the telly, most nights!

Personal tips:

1). A good contact with the local council/forestry/tree surgeons will pay dividends as to where where there's free supplies,
2). Local builders often have timber skips that they pay to have emptied...

My best buy so far, in terms of efficiency, has been one of these: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Handy-Horse ... B005N8MUN4
/quote]

In a similar line i use one of these

http://www.chainsaw-shop.co.uk/heavy-du ... 006-111711

And it is excellent

Also this one looks intresting
http://www.raasayengineering.co.uk/loggit.html

[Dipper]

get a huuuge stove would be my advice ours is 12kw in a 6.5 X 5.5m room. it can get a bit warm if its going full tilt but we've double doors going into the room which we open up and it heats the whole house pretty much. doesnt reach as far as the kitchen but all the upstairs bedrooms have had the radiators off since we installed it.

our oil bill went from @ £2500/year to @ £500(not totally accurate as we also changed a 10yo boiler for a new one which is no doubt more efficient). £400 of precut hardwood kept us going all winter. Think we've now got enough hardwood to keep us going for the next 3 years all for £600! Ive not had to lift as much as an axe either so it can be done with minimal effort if preffered

[Gooldie]

That sure is a lot of heat for a room that size, what stove is it?

I know I will sound like a salesman but if anyone is looking to buy a stove please don't buy a cheap one from somewhere like machine mart, in the last week alone I have sold 3 good stoves to people who bought cheaply in the first place and the stove lasted all of 6 months (4 weeks was the record! )