Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

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Post by Corranga » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:29 pm

campbell wrote:But I'm still unclear - if the Beeb run a 3-hour highlights show, how are they saving money? Surely they have to pay to acquire the footage / feeds? And they'll still be paying "talent" to design, produce and present the show?

<scratches head>
Presumably the footage which, race wise is all supplied by the F1 Administration will be covered in their contract anyway, they save 16mil (apperently) in the new deal, plus they won't have to ship a whole crew out to the races. They probably won't even have MB and DC - assuming they hang around for 10 GPs - as they can just use the 5Live commentry for the highlights anyway (think classic GP from when ITV had the rights, and red button practice sessions).

The thing that gets me is that the BBC have decided to cut 50% of the F1 becuase they have to cut 15% of their budget. Surely cuts could have been made elsewhere, even within the F1 show to reduce the cost buy some margin. I'd love to see a chart showing cost per viewer/listener for everytihng the BBC fund..

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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by mckeann » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:05 pm

we're only talking about a tank of petrol per month if you have to buy sky to continue to watch it.

For that money, you might find Sky invest a fair amount of money, and may poach talent from the bbc anyway, or bring in new fresh commentators and ex drivers. This might be a good thing

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Post by j2 lot » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:43 pm

I'll take the tank of petrol and watch the highlights on the BBC after I've been for a Sunday afternoon run.
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Post by campbell » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:11 am

mckeann wrote:we're only talking about a tank of petrol per month if you have to buy sky to continue to watch it.

For that money, you might find Sky invest a fair amount of money, and may poach talent from the bbc anyway, or bring in new fresh commentators and ex drivers. This might be a good thing
A tank of petrol ... or diesel for the ecowarriors amongst us ;-) ... is actually becoming quite expensive!

I don't like the sound of Sky's approach to sports coverage generally (I'm not a sport watching fan in any case...some motorsport and bit of golf is as far as it goes for me and don't get me started on bl**dy football...). But I would be prepared to hear they've made a success of it after a few races, if they achieve what you say. It's not important enough for me to splash the kind of cash they are asking though.

In fact, I increasingly find myself irritated by Bernie E as an individual, to the extent I'm not sure I'd want to contribute to lining his pockets any further. Which doesn't amount to much at present in any case, of course, but there is a principle at stake here!

So I'll just have to take what I can get via Council+ telly (the + is because we take Virgin Media's basic cable package, with phone and fibre t'internet bundle! Although have been looking seriously at dropping back to a fresh aerial and using the telly's own tuner again for the first time since we moved in...12 years ago...)

On the upside, it probably means we'll be out biking or camping or whatever a bit more...and come to think of it, might even try harder to get to another real F1 race. In a year or two I think our two terrors could be WELL up for that, and the saving of Silverstone is a silver lining on that front for sure. So it's not all bad.

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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by David » Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:54 am

Corranga wrote:
campbell wrote:But I'm still unclear - if the Beeb run a 3-hour highlights show, how are they saving money? Surely they have to pay to acquire the footage / feeds? And they'll still be paying "talent" to design, produce and present the show?

<scratches head>
Presumably the footage which, race wise is all supplied by the F1 Administration will be covered in their contract anyway, they save 16mil (apperently) in the new deal, plus they won't have to ship a whole crew out to the races. They probably won't even have MB and DC - assuming they hang around for 10 GPs - as they can just use the 5Live commentry for the highlights anyway (think classic GP from when ITV had the rights, and red button practice sessions).

The thing that gets me is that the BBC have decided to cut 50% of the F1 becuase they have to cut 15% of their budget. Surely cuts could have been made elsewhere, even within the F1 show to reduce the cost buy some margin. I'd love to see a chart showing cost per viewer/listener for everytihng the BBC fund..

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A complex subject but basically the 'rights' to show sports events 'live' and the rights to show as 'highlights' are very different. Theses costs are by far the biggest proportion of the overall cost. The production costs of the F1 programme will be a small part of the budget and ironically this is probably why the production values are so high on the pre-race programme.

Commissioning editors will be very conscious of the popularity and viewing figures but the BBC does not have a commercial remit and F1's success as a commercial TV product may be a good enough reason to move on and let the licence fee be used where the commercial TV companies have chosen not go.

As for the cost? A ‘back of an envelope’ calculation suggests they are spending twice the average per hour on F1. But what is most damaging is that this money is mostly going in to the pocket of F1, and not making TV programmes.
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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by PhilA » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:26 am

i doubt that the current Dreamteam will stay with BBC.
for 10 shows a year, and 10 highlights that is abit kak for them.

how many times do drivers speak to MB because he is BBC?
"x million views back in the UK watching this, what you want to say to them?"
Wont be able to use that now.

And on a sunday at 12noon, isnt there always a footy match on, except in the summer - unless its world cup.
I doubt F1 will get as high a following now, as it will mainbe hardcore fans who are willing to shed out the money who will watch it.
Alot of the growing numbers watching F1 on the BBC were folk interested in this new varied and popular format - casual watchers.
Casual watchers wont pay that money for F1. And footy fans will want to watch footy and not F1.

bad move for F1 in the UK (and other countries that buy the BBC feed) and give it a few years and it be back on FTA - but not with the current team.
The glory years have passed.

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Post by campbell » Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:12 pm

Understand the sentiments Phil, however some said the glory years passed when the James Hunt and Murray Walker partnership ended, etc, so there is always something new round the corner. Chin up :-)
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Post by campbell » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:03 pm

Speaking of which, here's a neat wee segment from Muzza with his thoughts on the deal...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula ... 367183.stm
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Post by StiflerMR2 » Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:42 pm

I came across this article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... -atom.html

It actually got me into a bit of a Points of View mindset - the 'journalist' really made my piss boil.

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Post by BiggestNizzy » Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:03 pm

StiflerMR2 wrote:I came across this article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... -atom.html

It actually got me into a bit of a Points of View mindset - the 'journalist' really made my piss boil.
He comes across as a bit of an arse and I know you should never feed the troll but...

My guessing is even if SKY do a fantastic job, even better than the BBC viewing figures will half wither this will change when the BBC screen a race will be own to the quality of the sky show.

If I were the BBC I would have offered berny £50m over the next 6 years with a like it or lump it attitute. Sky were the only company willing to pay (Channel 5 would only give a perecntage of advertising revenue) and that would have left Bernie with less options Bernie wins out this deal as he keeps F1 happy because terrestrial tv is better for advertisers and Sky has lots of money

Quoting Giles Clark to support his argument shows how nieve they both are, a fair few people are employed and participate in motorsport on many levels F1 is the pinnacle of that.
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Re: Bernie sold out - F1 moving to sky

Post by jen » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:36 pm

:withstupid

He's obviously not really bothered watching the F1 either. If he did he would have known it's actually DC that wears the white jeans and not Jake!! :blackeye

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Post by PhilA » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:23 pm

offical gov http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/57
if we get 100k signatures, we get the mps to discuss it
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Post by jen » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:36 pm

Signed. Currently at £3100, get signing people!!!!!

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Post by Alistair » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:31 pm

PhilA wrote:offical gov http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/57
if we get 100k signatures, we get the mps to discuss it
Signed - a long way off 100K just now though - here's hoping!

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Post by simon » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:32 pm

jen wrote:Signed. Currently at £3100, get signing people!!!!!
I think you're probably wasting your time. It's not a government decision, it's a business decision driven by money and if the government intervened where do they then stop? Should all football/golf/cricket etc. not then be shown for free? Why should F1 be an exception? BBC News said earlier today that regardless of how many people sign that e-petition thing, it will not be debated in parliament as irrelevant petitions such as the F1 related ones are to be excluded.

I don't like it, I won't be paying the roughly £24 per race that it would cost for watching on Sky Sports as I spend enough on my TV as it is and I don't think it's worth the extra. So I'll either watch the 10 races on BBC and find another way to watch the rest, accept the highlights or give up on it altogether if the remaining BBC coverage is crap.

Also, Bernie did an interview the other day for BBC and said that they (BBC) can, if they want to, show the full race delayed but he would prefer that they just showed an hours worth but that it was entirely up to them. So maybe there should be a petition for the BBC to show the races in full, though not on the governments e-petition site.

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