New wheels... The primera is no more! (falc)

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Re: New wheels... The primera is no more! (falc)

Post by robin » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:07 am

BigD wrote: When they talk of low torque they compare it to other performance cars but as you say Donkey compared to normal cars it actually has really high torque. They also forget to mention that torque and power are equal at 5250rpm so the fact that the R engine goes way beyond that it has a very useable power band compared to others with higher torque that redline at 6500rpm for example. :wink:
The fact that power and torque are equal at 5250rpm is a consequence of the units we use to measure them and not really a characteristic of the engine. So I don't quite understand the relevance of that statement, though I don't doubt the Civic type R is a capable car (though clearly it needs a K ;-)).

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Re: New wheels... The primera is no more! (falc)

Post by Scotty C » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:16 am

I'm not sure about that front splitter :roll:

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Re: New wheels... The primera is no more! (falc)

Post by Lazydonkey » Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:37 am

That's a huge premium for some fancy wheels and spoilers.
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Re: New wheels... The primera is no more! (falc)

Post by BigD » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:08 am

robin wrote:
BigD wrote: When they talk of low torque they compare it to other performance cars but as you say Donkey compared to normal cars it actually has really high torque. They also forget to mention that torque and power are equal at 5250rpm so the fact that the R engine goes way beyond that it has a very useable power band compared to others with higher torque that redline at 6500rpm for example. :wink:
The fact that power and torque are equal at 5250rpm is a consequence of the units we use to measure them and not really a characteristic of the engine. So I don't quite understand the relevance of that statement, though I don't doubt the Civic type R is a capable car (though clearly it needs a K ;-)).

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I think :scratch my point was that if an engine only revs to 6,000 or 6,500rpm then the power doesn't have far to go past the 5250rpm (where it equals torque) so the characteristics of that engine could make it seem more torquey. The honda keeps going to 8500rpm so peak power is usually a good bit more than the torque figure which is a charactaristic of the engine.

But I'm no expert engine builder so don't profess to have the 'book of engine knowledge'. Although I've owned a 1.8l Honda 'R' engined car a 2.0l Honda 'R' a 3.5L V6 and 2.0l turbo so experienced some of the different characteristics. I prefer F/I. :oops: :thumbsup

Not wishing to start a whole new K vs R engine debate that's for sure as that is pretty dull. :tired
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Re: New wheels... The primera is no more! (falc)

Post by BigD » Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:11 am

Lazydonkey wrote:
That's a huge premium for some fancy wheels and spoilers.
That's what I was thinking if you look at what else you could get at that price and age. :?

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Re: New wheels... The primera is no more! (falc)

Post by Mike Scib » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:56 pm

BigD wrote:
Lazydonkey wrote:
That's a huge premium for some fancy wheels and spoilers.
That's what I was thinking if you look at what else you could get at that price and age. :?
I like the spoilers! :oops:

Always going to worth more being a special edition.
alicrozier wrote:As Robin said, need to be comfortable and confident to push right up to the limit - sometimes you only find the limit by going beyond it...
(that's why I think Mike will do fine, that and his lack of imagination). :roll: :lol:

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Re: New wheels... The primera is no more! (falc)

Post by Lazydonkey » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:44 pm

Don't doubt that but my LSD car was £2,500 cheaper from a dealer, it's a 60 plate and it's done 30k less miles.

You'd have to REALLY like the spoilers ;)
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Re: New wheels... The primera is no more! (falc)

Post by robin » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:49 pm

BigD wrote:
I think :scratch my point was that if an engine only revs to 6,000 or 6,500rpm then the power doesn't have far to go past the 5250rpm (where it equals torque) so the characteristics of that engine could make it seem more torquey. The honda keeps going to 8500rpm so peak power is usually a good bit more than the torque figure which is a charactaristic of the engine.
My point was that you don't feel that "magic" moment when torque=power; there is nothing special about it - it is only power that counts (or, if you prefer, it's only torque that counts).

You cannot feel the difference between torque and power ... you can feel the combination of the engine's power band and the gearing spread.

A so-called torquey engine is just one that has a power band that is lower down and/or is coupled to a gearbox that allows you to build revs quickly because the car actually doesn't accelerate all that much from one end of a gear to the other.
Not wishing to start a whole new K vs R engine debate that's for sure as that is pretty dull. :tired
LOL - I don't think anyone on this thread has mentioned that in anything other than jest ;-)

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