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by Titanium S1 111S (gla) » Wed May 22, 2013 1:04 pm
robin wrote:That's a fair summary of my career to date ... so yes I would, it appears!
I’d be the first to acknowledge that risks sometimes pay off.

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by jason » Wed May 22, 2013 4:59 pm
Titanium S1 111S (gla) wrote:Kelvin wrote:I think for many, it will ultimately be a vote with the heart.
I suspect that you are correct, but would say that a vote with the heart rather than the head on such a critical issue is nothing short of
stupid.
I disagree. I believe it is impossible to address such an emotive issue in purely cold financial/political/technical terms.
There will be some people who live in Scotland who are determined to remain residents in Britain/GB/UK ("we are all in this mess/whatever together", etc) and some who live here who would want independence regardless of arguments to stay in the Union. Much debate on this matter is as if only Scots live and work in Scotland, and only Scots would be affected by a yes or no result.
It isn't like a failing marriage or failing business where one is purely focussed on best financial outcome - the fact that it's broken having already been established. So I think it is wrong to suggest that any involvement of the heart is 'stupid'.
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by BiggestNizzy » Wed May 22, 2013 5:42 pm
I would rather see a devolved England.
My biggest worry would be the split, it is not going to be amicable and the big guy is going to pick on the little guy.
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by The Hoff » Wed May 22, 2013 6:22 pm
Having an Internet (and soon mail order) business based in Scotland with 80% of trade coming from England.. I'm somewhat worried at the prospect of a yes vote. Purely from a personal opinion and perspective of course. I've already experienced a growing number of English customers who are openly prepared to boycot Scottish businesses in the event of a yes vote.
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by pete » Wed May 22, 2013 11:56 pm
BiggestNizzy wrote:Dark wrote:j2 lot wrote:Then Alex and his cronies are going to spend the rest of their political careers blaming England for saddling us with debt that they didn't expect that spoilt the independence dream

Wasn't it Scottish debt that lost them independence in the first place???

If I remember correctly a Scottish colony was destroyed leaving the political classes out of pocket and England agreed to cover it. The bit I have never got is if we are such a drain why would they want to keep us ?
So Cameron and his friends have somewhere to shoot deer.
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by pete » Thu May 23, 2013 12:06 am
Reasons I have heard to vote no.
It would ruin the flag. (c) Rangers FC supporters
We would be outwitted in a settlement by the English. (Which presupposes that the English are smarter than the Scotch)
Post separation, the people in charge would be inferior - thus the country would be run badly.
Salmond is an arse. (Which pre-supposes that Salmond is worse than Cameron/Blair/et al. And that he'd be in charge.)
We are not financially independent. (which disregards the facts)
Northern England would miss us too much.
We would not be able to keep the pound. (Which ignores economic reality)
It might be worse. (Which ignores the fact that an independent Scotland could just copy England. "But what would be the point" they cry, self determination as an answer is perhaps ignored)
None of that means I am decided - but none of those are reasons.
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by Mikie711 » Thu May 23, 2013 12:42 am
The Hoff wrote:Having an Internet (and soon mail order) business based in Scotland with 80% of trade coming from England.. I'm somewhat worried at the prospect of a yes vote. Purely from a personal opinion and perspective of course. I've already experienced a growing number of English customers who are openly prepared to boycot Scottish businesses in the event of a yes vote.
I have no idea what you sell but conversely perhaps more Scots will buy from Scottish company's rather than shop south of the border.
This debate will rage on and on. Ultimately, despite being all in favour of independence, I think it will fail. Partly due to fear of change, apathy, and scare mongering amongst other things. Our one big chance to show what we can achieve as a nation and be in charge of our own destiny.
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by Kelvin » Sun May 26, 2013 5:57 pm
I suspect when push comes to shove most people will buy from wherever they get the best price and good customer service so I'll wager that your business will be ok as long as a yes vote didn't make either of those two things any harder to achieve. You could always create a ghost company in Ireland and funnel all sales through it as it seems to work for the mighty A and it hasn't stopped folk buying their stuff so folk aren't always as principled as they appear. As Grouch Marx said: 'Those are my principles and if you don't like them, well I have others'
As far as English apathy towards this shenanigans...I don't agree. I live in England and among the folk I know down here the vast majority would vote yes to kicking Scotland into touch given a choice or so they say at least. The free prescriptions, uni fees etc is seen as unfair and the view that Scotland is funded by the South is a view that's widely held. In fact, Salmond has played on this a few times when interviewed by the R4 Today programme. When this point has been put to him rather than trying to argue the economics of it he has said all the more reason why Westminster should be happy to get shot of Scotland.
If I still lived in Scotland and could therefore vote I'd be a resolute no. The World increasingly needs nations to pull together not split apart. And I just don't see how Scotland being neither part of Britain nor a full member of the EU (as I understand might happen) is good for Scotland when the World is going through such uncertain times. As a consequence, and despite having many issues with the EU, I increasingly believe that the UK is better off in it than out of it. Therefore by voting no for Scottish Independence I'd be committing myself to a yes vote in any referendum on Britain joining the EU. I think.
On an emotional level I will feel even further away from home if Scotland votes yes so from a purely selfish point of view I hope it's a no vote.