The Scheme

[holly]

I'm just about to watch this sounds interesting!

Haaay! You might have waited until I was in from work

Sorry!I'll watch it again with you I couldn't really understand what most of them were sayin!lol
fantastic though! "it's me or the blues"

[DavieK]

I genuinely knew a girl who once said to me....

"I'm going to have another baby. Not bothered who the dad is. If I do that.... I'll get a house". She was living in a 2 bed flat at that point which was fully furnished from Argos at the tax payers' expense. I helped her pick the furniture from the catalogue...

At that point, her mum had 4 kids to 3 dads and her sister had 2 kids to 2 dads... etc. That was just normal for 'those' kind of people unfortunately. The name of the game was to work the system for their own benefit. Who's at fault... them?? the system?? both?? Something is definitely wrong anyway!!


I stopped seeing her just after that!! (she's now single again and currently has 4 kids to 2 dads and a big house btw!)

Went to school with a lass like that, aim of the game was to get a big payed for house.

[kenny]

I couldn't watch more than first few minutes or I WOULD have smashed the tv and I can't afford that. That I guess is the 'broken society' which politicians - specifically David Cameron refers too. If he or any other politician can fix that blight on our country, they will have my vote for life !!!

It wasn't quite the piss boiler I expected it to be. A broken society is the correct description though.

[chrisdb]

Bit of an eye opener. My observations -

- they spend a lot of time in bed
- they smoke a lot even when pregnant - how much will they be getting from the various benefits etc to fund this?

[T6 KFR]

i watched this last night, everyone knows we have people around us like that, but what an eye opener.

that "saint" who took everyone in her house is not what she seems I think. Almost looks like she is the failure and takes people in to make her feel good, did she have a job, Oh did anyone in that programme have a job more like it!!!! And you wonder where they get the cash for HUGE TV's, 5 quid fags, armani jackets..

You realise how lucky and good your live is compared to that...sad they cant help themselves change.

[ste7en]

You realise how lucky and good your live is compared to that....

I thought the same.

Don't know how I feel about their situation. Do I feel mad at them or sorry for them? Is it the fault of the benifits system that makes them better off remaining spongers than taking the sort of work available to a person with a drug habit and a criminal record?

Anyway, made for interesting viewing but as Holly mentioned, there were parts where I could really have used some subtitles?!?!

[BiggestNizzy]

Anyway, made for interesting viewing but as Holly mentioned, there were parts where I could really have used some subtitles?!?!

Even I struggled at times and I live less than a mile away in the same town !

[tonyg]

Although i didn't watch this programme i remember reading a report about a similar bunch of people(?) and whoever did it found one girl who had been pregnant 10 times BEFORE she was sixteen !! - had three kids at the time of the report and was only 17.

[mac]

Even I struggled at times and I live less than a street away in the same town !

[graeme]

Robin in crystal ball shocker:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/gla ... 143746.stm

[robin]

I had heard about that charity before, but I don't believe they have the correct approach - of course they're hampered by having to tackle people in the street at likely spots (drug clinics, abortion clinics, etc.) as they have no other means of approaching them - and they're not well enough funded - £200 is not nearly enough - of course it's loads to a hardcore junkie, but I'm thinking we have a wider problem than that ...

I would have a well publicized opt in scheme - no direct selling, operated via the NHS somehow, including up front counseling, discussion of the alternates to the scheme, etc. As I've said before we need to tackle parenting too - I would be more than happy to have the state fund schemes that aim to improve parenting skills too, but a lot of the time you will be flogging a dead horse ...

The costs would be hard to stomach, but the long term benefits seem to me to justify it.

Cheers,
Robin

[Kool PT]

The sterlisation thing is utterly shocking. Sounds like a Nazi policy. The idea that someone addicted to drugs' human rights can be bought for a couple of hundred quid is totally disgusting to me.

[robin]

No problem. You can look after them - just send us your address ..

Cheers,
Robin

[kenny]

Nazi sterilisation - Forced.

Modern day sterilisation - Voluntary with financial incentives.

Subtle difference, no?

[graeme]

Wrong approach. There's no point creating incentives NOT to breed until all the incentives TO breed are all removed. Once those are gone we can talk about cash payments for sterilisation. For now all we need to do is remove the positive incentives to breed until the only decision that remains is "Am I ready to have a child?" If any other factor comes into it, the country is broken.

1) Unwanted kids commit a massive amount of crime (proven in the US crime stats post Roe vs Wade - massive 35% drop in crime due to abortion being legalised)
2) Benefits payment incentivise keeping unwanted kids (only it's a case of financial reward, rather than just staying out of prison)

From 1 and 2, benefits payments cause crime

It really is as simple as that as far as I am concerned.

Stop giving away free houses, and in 15 years we'll see results on a scale we can't even hope for with any short-term initiatives. If I was PM, I'd announce that 9 months from now, any baby born from then on will not be entitled to a single scrap of benefit payment ever. Just watch abortion rates go through the roof all by themselves. In 15 years, crime rates will plummet.