Life-threatening vandalism on the A801

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Post by Skyenet » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:24 pm

campbell wrote: I guess the best we can do is find ways to lobby the Government to put as much into parenting principles / skills

Only that way will we develop back towards the principles Robin alluded to.

Oh, and when the Government claims massive figures for how much it has poured into "Education", it needs to ask...

a) how the money has then been spent

b) how much of it should go on non-school-oriented education like the parenting skills stuff.

Good education begins at home when the wee tots are barely days old and actually never stops until Mum and Dad pop their clogs. That's the deal if you are considering - or risking! - having children, take it or leave it.
Scotland is the middle of introducing a brand new Curriculum for children aged 3 to 18 called the Curriculum for Excellence which contains far more than traditional school subjects including working to develop responsbile citizens.

What are the values underpinning the new curriculum?

Wisdom, justice, compassion and integrity are the words inscribed on the mace of the Scottish Parliament. These words have helped to define values for Scottish society.

The Curriculum Review Group says: 'One of the prime purposes of education is to make our young people aware of the values on which Scottish society is based and so help them to establish their own stances on matters of social justice and personal and collective responsibility. Young people therefore need to learn about and develop these values. The curriculum is an important means through which this personal development should be encouraged.'

 
Curriculum for Excellence aims to:
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2  confident individuals 
3 responsible citizens 
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An intersting statistic is that 85% of the language we use as adults is in place by the time we are five years old and 50% is in place by the time we are three years old. Considering how much children learn pre-school then you would think early years workers, who now have to be even more qualified, would get a decent wage.

Did anyone catch the McIntyre programme on streetcrime a couple of days ago? The kids that are causing the problems have no incentive whatsover to earn a wage or no great deterrent to stop them following a life of crime.

Skye once got hit by a stone somebody threw over our garden fence from the main road passing by. It sometimes happened late at night with drunk or rowdy kids try to break back windows in the houses. She got quite a shock but was lucky not to have been badly injured. Earlier that day she had been playing with halloween makeup on her dolls so I suggested we make a really scary photo of her being badly hurt and put it up on the fence. I did her head up with a horrible looking injury and loads of fake blood and then put up the photo on the fence saying that the actions of some idiot had caused this to my daughter and that she needed hospital treatment. The photo stayed up for months and that was a few years ago and never once has anybody throwing a stone over the fence since then. Chasing them at the time would only have made matters worse.
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Post by campbell » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:24 am

Interesting stuff Iain.

That's a good point re: the pic. I might just make some laminated shots of the Golf's injuries and fix them onto the bridge and lamp-posts in the area of the incident. Along the lines of "incident here on xxx Nov, any information please contact L&B Police on xxx".

Wish I'd thought of that sooner!

Anyways, the silver lining is - car now back, shinier than ever, with some additional dings sorted out at our cost whilst it was with Steve Walker. Full valet and no grief from insurance assessor. Top marks to Steve as ever, and now definitely ready to put it behind us.

Oh, and I never thought I'd find the Golf to be "an excellent drive". But after the courtesy Polo Puddle Jumper, it feels like a Porsche by comparison :-)

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Post by PhilA » Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:55 am

when i was young, me and a m8 dropped cans and stuff on top of moving trains.
made sure i was missing the cab, but it was absolutely rediculous, very dangerous and i am really ashamed of it to be honest.

what made me stop?
I got caught by the British Transport Police.
Got a telling off. That was enough and never did it again. Scared the living daylights out of me - someone in authority, in a uniform, knowing what uv done and warning me of it. Also, i was scared my mum and dad would find out and id be in lotta trouble.

Point is, when ur young and with ur m8s, its soo easy to not be aware of how dangerous things may be or if u are aware to put it out of ur mind.

Hope they get caught.
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Post by rossybee » Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:46 pm

Aye, but Phil - the difference between you and the NEETS who did this to Campbell's car is that you were scared because your folks would've gone ballistic.

Every chance that their "parents" couldn't give a flying f*ck what their little cherubs are up to... :chainsaw
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Post by campbell » Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:40 pm

Got it in 1, Ross.
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Post by rossybee » Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:48 pm

campbell wrote:Got it in 1, Ross.
Which takes us back to the "cut out a gene pool by cutting off their RS McCalls" :thumbsup
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Post by Dominic » Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:28 pm

rossybee wrote:
campbell wrote:Got it in 1, Ross.
Which takes us back to the "cut out a gene pool by cutting off their RS McCalls" :thumbsup
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Post by Skyenet » Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:58 pm

I should have paid more attention to the lessons in this thread. Just went under a flyover/roundabout on the A725 minutes from my house and got hit by the leftovers of a McDonalds which made quite an impact when it hit the windscreen. Milkshake makes some mess by the way. No actual damage but it did give me a shock which could have made me swerve and hit another car.

Kids from a local school out for a healthy lunch time snack :roll: Phoned the school to let them know but not much el;se I could do as I couldn't for definte say it was schoolkids, though 99% sure it was when I glanced in my mirror after being hit.

Note to self, Take more notice of folk on overpasses/bridges. :shock:
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Post by BiggestNizzy » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:14 pm

thats the thing, I was no angel when I was younger, I grew up in a rough place (hurlford) and I got upto no good, but and I think this is the big difference I was sh1t scared of my parents if i did something wrong ad got caught it was my parents I was scared off and that is what stopped me doing some of the more illeagle things in life. If I had ever brought the police to my parents door, well it doesn't bear thinking about (even now!) and I was never beaten as a child don't get me wrong I got the odd skelped 4rs3 when I was younger but I was never beaten. I went through a range of punishments no tv/grounding/no lego/no spectrum/no star wars etc. I just had respect for my parents.

That is whats missing kids will be mischeivus we all where as kids but we knew where the line was and we dare not cross it. If the police brought us home our parents would have sided with the police. adults could clip kids around the lug and if we told our parents we would get another clip round the lug as we probably deserved the first one, times have changed and as regards the "NED" classes for the worse.
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Post by campbell » Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:14 am

Spot on Nizzy.
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Post by campbell » Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:19 am

Skyenet wrote:I should have paid more attention to the lessons in this thread. Just went under a flyover/roundabout on the A725 minutes from my house and got hit by the leftovers of a McDonalds which made quite an impact when it hit the windscreen. Milkshake makes some mess by the way. No actual damage but it did give me a shock which could have made me swerve and hit another car.

Kids from a local school out for a healthy lunch time snack :roll: Phoned the school to let them know but not much el;se I could do as I couldn't for definte say it was schoolkids, though 99% sure it was when I glanced in my mirror after being hit.

Note to self, Take more notice of folk on overpasses/bridges. :shock:
Argh. Clearly I would do nowt other than sympathise with you. And celebrate the fact it was something as soft as a milkshake. And yet the distraction factor of this could just as easily, if not more easily, cause a nasty accident for you - or others. Flipping mindless.

You did right to phone the nearby school. But you must also report the detail to the Police. Occasionally they do use their databases to join up offence information, and if it led to the feckers getting a good talking to at least and a bit of fear up 'em, then so much the better.

I have a growing belief that a backlash to this zero-consequence culture will turn things back to where they should be. But whether during my lifetime or not, I'm less sure. We'll do what we can to set Eilidh and James up to bring about the revolution though.

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PS - Did I not hear something today about some programme to "improve conditions in prisons"? Well for f*ck sake. Do we want to make prison seem as attractive as a Travelodge paid for by the state? It needs to be as grim and unappealing as possible, surely. And of course the Government should really spend the money on training HMRC staff in the first principles of data protection instead blah blah blah...

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Post by rossybee » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:30 pm

campbell wrote:Spot on Nizzy.
ding!!! :wink:

Campbell - ref prisons - took some time to read some of the link in Gareth's prison thread - offenders have zero right to think they're entitled to better conditions - but the abiding thought whilst reading through the (very compelling) text was that the author struck me as a decent sort who would never reoffend, regardless of conditions "inside" whereas some happy-to-reoffend sub-human would be less intimadated by prison life. Such a bloody shame :(
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Post by Lazydonkey » Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:48 pm

Same thing happened to iKarl the other night - only he was lucky enough to come away with a broken windscreen :cry:
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Post by BiggestNizzy » Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:09 pm

problem with prisons is if your a junkie/jakie bam 3 meals a day and a warm bed is not that bad. I have known of people who have delibratly got arrested at christmas time so they can spend christmas inside. I also know of a guy who hit a guy over the head with a ball and chain (seriously) for no other reason than he was there, that and he wanted to get into prison so the nutters outside couln't get him. the guy he hit will probably never be the same again. the sickening thing is he will probably only get abh or gbh or something and not attempted murder, it was a ball and chain ffs !!! and he will get 6 months he will get out in 3 ! although he had just got out of jail on good behavior.

Thing is if your not a jakie/junkie scumbag jail will suck bigtime(understatement of the year). I say lock them in a cell with nothing but a book for company they should have to slop out. TV is ok but don't let them pick the channel (something educational) lights out at 10pm up at 6am and make them work chain gangs etc.
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